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« on: May 28, 2008, 01:49:20 AM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7422900.stm

Great news.
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 03:46:38 AM »

Given they had a Royal Family that made the Windsors look like the Amish... prob. a good thing.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 04:01:00 PM »

I am not sure trading one oppressor for another will accomplish much.  If it truly IS a Republic, then great.  But Maoists seem to be the ones in control now.  That cannot be good.  At least not for human rights.

It's sorta like exchanging a thug named Bautista for a thug named Castro.

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 05:45:22 PM »

I'm happy. Very happy.
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 06:07:54 PM »

I am not sure trading one oppressor for another will accomplish much.  If it truly IS a Republic, then great.  But Maoists seem to be the ones in control now.  That cannot be good.  At least not for human rights.

It's sorta like exchanging a thug named Bautista for a thug named Castro.



Why is marxism=dictatorship? Look at the performance of the state of Kerela(India) under maoist rule. They do not have high economic growth but their literacy rate and extreme poverty rate is almost equal that of a developed nation. So do not lose hope just because the new leaders are communist. OF course if they have contacts with the naxals, its all over. The naxals are power hungry bastards who care nothing about the poor and it is very likely they will ruin Nepal just like they did eastern india. Also India will ruin Nepal if they harbor the naxals.
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 06:53:01 PM »

Pretty sure the Maoists didn't come to power in Kerala via an armed insurgency. Could be completely wrong though.
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 10:45:06 PM »

I am not sure trading one oppressor for another will accomplish much.  If it truly IS a Republic, then great.  But Maoists seem to be the ones in control now.  That cannot be good.  At least not for human rights.

It's sorta like exchanging a thug named Bautista for a thug named Castro.



Why is marxism=dictatorship? Look at the performance of the state of Kerela(India) under maoist rule. They do not have high economic growth but their literacy rate and extreme poverty rate is almost equal that of a developed nation. So do not lose hope just because the new leaders are communist. OF course if they have contacts with the naxals, its all over. The naxals are power hungry bastards who care nothing about the poor and it is very likely they will ruin Nepal just like they did eastern india. Also India will ruin Nepal if they harbor the naxals.

Where has Marxism NOT been brutal or oppressive?  I'm not talking about Socialism.  Hell, I'm half Socialist as it is.  I'm talking about Marxism, Communism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc.

I don't know about Kerela State and would be interested to hear more.  But I would have to wonder how autonomous they are.  Are the Marxists free to rule as they wish or are they restrained to some extent by the more Democratic Indian central government?

Much of what I know of Nepal is, admittedly, through a very narrow prism.  I am interested in and quite concerned about the persecution of religious minorities around the world.  In Nepal, Christians have had a pretty awful time of it.  Will this improve or worsen under a Maoist regime?  In China, North Korea, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam...life has not been good for Christians.  Gratefully, things have improved for Christians in China and Vietnam...though they still do not enjoy the freedoms they would experience in the west.  I get differing accounts of how other religious groups are treated in various Asian countries, so I can't comment authoritatively.

But if the Nepalese Maoists allow freedom of religion, I'll be the first to celebrate.  Based on Maoism's past concerning human rights in general and religious freedom in particular, I'm hesitant to become overly enthused. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 12:13:46 AM »

re Kerala:

As a state government, it's powers are by definition limited. But the Communist-led LDF (Left Democratic Front) has been willing to go in and out of power peacefully, and they've followed the rules of democracy. Essentially, they're like the Weimar-era German Social Democrats: technically Marxist, but in reality average social democrats.

The Nepali Maoists have the potential to be like this. But I don't know enough about them to make any sort of prognostication as to whether it'll actually come down like that.
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 12:19:33 AM »

Pretty sure the Maoists didn't come to power in Kerala via an armed insurgency.

They didn't in Nepal either.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 12:31:59 AM »

re Kerala:

As a state government, it's powers are by definition limited. But the Communist-led LDF (Left Democratic Front) has been willing to go in and out of power peacefully, and they've followed the rules of democracy.
Shocking isn't it?  Communists going in and out of power peacefully.  But aren't they supposed to?  Isn't this like congratulating a father that pays child support?  You're supposed to go in and out of power peacefully and you're supposed to pay child support.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 12:44:05 AM »

re Kerala:

As a state government, it's powers are by definition limited. But the Communist-led LDF (Left Democratic Front) has been willing to go in and out of power peacefully, and they've followed the rules of democracy.
Shocking isn't it?  Communists going in and out of power peacefully.  But aren't they supposed to?  Isn't this like congratulating a father that pays child support?  You're supposed to go in and out of power peacefully and you're supposed to pay child support.

Ah, but Communism is like...well, I can't really extend your metaphor. But Communists don't play by the rules.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 01:02:57 AM »

Yep, and that's one of the many reasons why they suck so much.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 01:09:57 AM »

Yep, and that's one of the many reasons why they suck so much.

I've never liked the dogmatism of Marxism, nor its syndicalist implications.
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 02:52:56 PM »

Pretty sure the Maoists didn't come to power in Kerala via an armed insurgency.

They didn't in Nepal either.

It bought them a seat at the table though. I misphrased my initial comment.
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 03:33:03 PM »

Pretty sure the Maoists didn't come to power in Kerala via an armed insurgency.

They didn't in Nepal either.

It bought them a seat at the table though. I misphrased my initial comment.
The previous Nepalese regime deserved overthrow by armed insurgency.
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 09:54:48 PM »

Yep, and that's one of the many reasons why they suck so much.

Yeah I generally agree with the above comments that the Kerelan communist party. Very different from communist parties around the world. CPM in West Bengal is pretty ruthless but now they have enough illegal immigrants on the voting rolls to be continuously in power. Thus they have shifted their view towards governance and they havent been doing bad actually. Ironically it is by opening up the state to FDI and promising no unionization in the software industry(not too sure about this one). Not too marxist of them.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 11:53:53 PM »

The previous Nepalese regime deserved overthrow by armed insurgency.

Irrelevant of course.
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2008, 06:10:58 AM »

The previous Nepalese regime deserved overthrow by armed insurgency.

Irrelevant of course.
Depends. Irrelevant to what. Certainly not to the original point of the thread, which was to celebrate that it's official and they're gone now.
Not perfectly irrelevant to whether it makes sense to continue to worry about Nepal's future... but certainly not much of a crumb of comfort.
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