President Carter vs. Senator Dole-1980

[GPORTER]

Ronald Reagan decides not to run for the presidency again in 1976. He endorses no one for the nomination. Former vice presidential nominee and incumbent senator Bob Dole beats George Bush and the other candidates for the republican nomination. Incumbent President Jimmy Carter wins renomination after defeating Ted Kennedy in the primaries. Bob Dole selects Howard Baker of Tennessee as his running mate. Jimmy Carter makes the decision to keep Walter Mondale on the ticket with him. There is no third party candidacy.

The tickets look like this...Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondalevs.Bob Dole/Howard Baker

Discuss and analyze. Use maps if you wish.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Dole wins, 318-220.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

As I recall, the closest states were all in the South, and Dole will play well in the Midwest.  I don't give the Bush endorsement that much weight; it was close in 1980, with Bush on the ticket, so it goes narrowly for Carter.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

As I recall, the closest states were all in the South, and Dole will play well in the Midwest.  I don't give the Bush endorsement that much weight; it was close in 1980, with Bush on the ticket, so it goes narrowly for Carter.

Texas was close in 1980 and Wisconsin was not? The only close states were in the south? That is stupid. You know less about Presidential politics than you claim that I do.

I never said the things you just said I did.  The closest states were mostly in the South; of the 10 closest, 7 were in the South, along with MA, HI, and DE.  Outside of Dixie, most of the Anderson supporters were Republicans who would have gone to Dole, keeping those states for him.

[Saxwsylvania]

As I recall, the closest states were all in the South, and Dole will play well in the Midwest.  I don't give the Bush endorsement that much weight; it was close in 1980, with Bush on the ticket, so it goes narrowly for Carter.

Texas was close in 1980 and Wisconsin was not? The only close states were in the south? That is stupid. You know less about Presidential politics than you claim that I do.

Oh, just shut the hell up already.

[King]

Dole wasn't a significantly weaker candidate in 1980 (as compared to 1996) and Carter was unpopular enough that virtually any candidate could beat him.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

As I recall, the closest states were all in the South, and Dole will play well in the Midwest.  I don't give the Bush endorsement that much weight; it was close in 1980, with Bush on the ticket, so it goes narrowly for Carter.

Texas was close in 1980 and Wisconsin was not? The only close states were in the south? That is stupid. You know less about Presidential politics than you claim that I do.

Oh, just shut the hell up already.

I concur with Vander Blubb more than 1000%. Moreso than McGovern's 1000% statement regarding Senator Thomas Eagleton. Please shut up Garrison. Please. You do know, that you have said that statement towards Ben more than 100 times and numerous others I'm sure.

As for this scenario, I shall provide an Electoral Map later. I would now,but creating an Electoral Map on the school computers takes forever. But it will be no surprise that my map will show a Dole/Baker victory.

Robert J. Dole/Howard H. Baker (R): 308 EV, 51% of the PV
James E. Carter/Walter F. Mondale (D): 230 EV, 49% of the PV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

In 1980, Howard Baker was the Senate Republican Leader.  How is that not experience?  Sometimes, I think you create Democratic victories to avoid being called a hack.  No way Carter wins in 1980, no way.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

As I recall, the closest states were all in the South, and Dole will play well in the Midwest.  I don't give the Bush endorsement that much weight; it was close in 1980, with Bush on the ticket, so it goes narrowly for Carter.

Texas was close in 1980 and Wisconsin was not? The only close states were in the south? That is stupid. You know less about Presidential politics than you claim that I do.

I never said the things you just said I did.  The closest states were mostly in the South; of the 10 closest, 7 were in the South, along with MA, HI, and DE.  Outside of Dixie, most of the Anderson supporters were Republicans who would have gone to Dole, keeping those states for him.

First of all, you do not take criticism well, do you?

You said that you never said that Texas was close in 1980. When you said in one of your posts in this thread of Texas that "it was close in 1980." Do you call a fourteen point margin close? You must think that Utah and the District of Columbia were close in 2004.

You also said that the top ten closest states in 1980 were the southern ones and Delaware, Hawaii, and Massachusetts. Do you consider Kentucky to be a southern state, last time I checked it was not.

And, Carter could have won in 1980. The polls were tight up until a few days until the election. Had the hostages been set free in the final days while the polls were still tight, do you not think that he would have had a shot at it?

If I were making democratic victory maps only to avoid being called a hack, then I would give Walter Mondale and George McGovern victories in the years and under the circumstances that they ran in.

The margin in Utah was 45.54%, and in DC it was >80%.  Those weren't close.  And I said 7 out of 10 were Southern; I consider Kentucky Southern; that sort of thing is up for interpretation.

I've never given Mondale and McGovern victories; no sane person would give either of them a victory.

Gporter, do you enjoy attacking me with false, and, more importantly, pathetic attcks?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I know, I was making a point about McGovern y Mondale.  There's a huge difference between 14% and 80%.  Go back to math class and learn that.

You can stand up for yourself, but your attacks on other people are baseless, and you make the same mistakes.

[Joe Republic]

You are the one who should go back to math class because you did not know that two negative numbres can sometimes equal a positive number.

I hate to interfere in another priceless dispute, but yes he did.  The figure of speech was clear to anybody (but you, it would seem).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

You are the one who should go back to math class because you did not know that two negative numbres can sometimes equal a positive number.

I hate to interfere in another priceless dispute, but yes he did.  The figure of speech was clear to anybody (but you, it would seem).

He'll be calling you a hack soon, now that you've defended me.

[Хahar 🤔]

McGovern y Mondale

¿Hablas español?

[PBrunsel]

It is a common mistake that Bob Dole was a "weak candidate." In his prime (1980 and 1988) Dole was both a witty, charming heartland staesman, and a no hold barred attack dog. In 1980 the economy was a mess, Soviets were in Afghanistan, hostages were in Tehran and America was in that famous "malaise." Alhtough I believe that much of this was not his fault, President Carter would not have been reelected against any of the Republicans with that record. Much like Hoover in 1932, he was doomed.

I would expect Clark and the Libertarians to do much better with Dole as the GOP nominee. Dole had been on record of voting for increased agricultural subsides, detente with the Soviets, corporate welfare and voting to increase the Social Security system. Reagan ran as a libertarian in 1980, taking votes from Clark/Koch.  

Bob Dole/Howard Baker (R): 381 EV; 48.1% of the PV
Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (D): 157 EV; 41.0% of the PV
Ed Clark/David Koch (L): 0 EV; 9.4% of the PV
Others (Consumer, Socialist, etc.): 0 EV; 0.5% of the PV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

McGovern y Mondale

¿Hablas español?

Si.

[Хahar 🤔]

McGovern y Mondale

¿Hablas español?

Si.

If? Why if? What kind of stupid answer is "if"?

[Lincoln Republican]

After having served as one of the weakest and most incompetent Presidents in history, the abject failure of the Carter Presidency is rewarded accordingly by the voters.

Dole was an experienced and respected Senator,  nationally known well before 1980.

Baker was Senate Republican leader, and was as well experienced and respected.

Dole and Baker would have been a very strong ticket in 1980.  

Not as big a win as for Reagan, nonetheless, a solid win for Dole and Baker over Carter and Mondale.

Carter is handed a well deserved defeat.

The presence of Baker on the Dole ticket keeps Tennessee with the GOP.  

Instead of Reagan 489 Carter 49

Dole/Baker                  375
Carter/Mondale           163

[Kaine for Senate '18]

McGovern y Mondale

¿Hablas español?

Si.

If? Why if? What kind of stupid answer is "if"?

Sorry, I don't have a special keys button on my computer.

[War on Want]

McGovern y Mondale

¿Hablas español?

Si.

If? Why if? What kind of stupid answer is "if"?

Who gives a sh**t about accents anyways?

[Хahar 🤔]

McGovern y Mondale

¿Hablas español?

Si.

If? Why if? What kind of stupid answer is "if"?

Sorry, I don't have a special keys button on my computer.

You should. Just change your keyboard layout to US-International.

Who gives a sh**t about accents anyways?

I do.