Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 22, 2014, 09:28:29 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Don't forget to get your 2013 Gubernatorial Endorsements and Predictions in!

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  Individual Politics (Moderators: Grad Students are the Worst, Torie, Sheriff Buford TX Justice)
| | |-+  Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 Print
Poll
Question: Who would you rather have as your political enemies?
Fundies   -10 (41.7%)
Libertarians   -11 (45.8%)
Neo-Cons   -3 (12.5%)
Other (explain)   -0 (0%)
Show Pie Chart
Total Voters: 24

Author Topic: Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies  (Read 5549 times)
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22538
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« on: May 30, 2008, 06:24:08 am »
Ignore

Wiki claims a lot more "factions" in the GOP. cite  But most of them overlap with big three above.  I'm just curious.  I always assumed the left would be friendlier with Libertarians than they would be with Fundies and other more "traditional" Republicans, but recently I've seen a LOT of anti-Libertarian posts.  Culminating with the thread in U.S. GP where left leaning posters are hammering Libertarians and praising Fundies.  I could have sworn that you guys have been bemoaning the Fundies as the worst thing since Hitler for the past 7 years or so, has Ron Paul scared you?  I have a theory or two as to why this is, but I'll wait and see how this turns out.
Logged

Tetro Kornbluth
Gully Foyle
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11399
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2008, 06:54:21 am »
Ignore

Funnily enough none of those three ideologies have any credibility(? Perhaps the wrong word - followers maybe?) outside the United States.

Libertarianism is just a silly form of US nationalism, however it is silly enough to be attacked while maintaing some sort of credibility which the fundies don't have.
Logged



Quote
Keith R Laws ‏@Keith_Laws  Feb 4
As I have noted before 'paradigm shift' is an anagram of 'grasp dim faith'
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22538
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2008, 07:27:46 am »
Ignore

That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.
Logged

Tetro Kornbluth
Gully Foyle
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11399
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 07:37:40 am »
Ignore

That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.

"Classical Liberal"? Interesting, what's your opinion on Locke's Tabula Rasa or on the Mazzinian notion of the Nation State?
Logged



Quote
Keith R Laws ‏@Keith_Laws  Feb 4
As I have noted before 'paradigm shift' is an anagram of 'grasp dim faith'
WalterMitty
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21014


Political Matrix
E: 1.68, S: -2.26

View Profile
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 07:49:03 am »
Ignore

libertarians, easily.

most that ive encountered totally lack any compassion.  most fail to understand that there are people who have life experiences that put them behind.

fundies, and ive enountered tons in my time, at the very least, are usually very compassionate folks. 

but the people who really make me want to vomit are these little twerps who call themselves 'democrats' but admire people like ron paul and bob barr.  how the hell does that work?
Logged


I just slept for 11 hours, so I should need a nap today
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22538
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 07:54:00 am »
Ignore

That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.

"Classical Liberal"? Interesting, what's your opinion on Locke's Tabula Rasa or on the Mazzinian notion of the Nation State?
I have yet to form an opinion on the idea of tabula rosa (the idea that we're born as a blank slate and must learn everything, including how to learn), but I like the idea of a nation state. 

I'd like to think that eventually everyone in the world will have all their basic human rights available to them (and protected from future bad guys with vigilance and force), but obviously we are not there yet.  In the mean time the best way to defeat tyranny is to group together as best we can to fight them.  I'm much more against tyranny than I am say, Socialism.  I don't like Socialism, but by itself it can be tolerable.  Totalitarian or authoritarian govts should never be tolerated.
Logged

IDS Judicial Overlord John Dibble
John Dibble
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 18787
Japan


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 10:36:37 am »
Ignore

Libertarianism is just a silly form of US nationalism, however it is silly enough to be attacked while maintaing some sort of credibility which the fundies don't have.

Nationalism? Que? Libertarians tend to be very individualistic - hardly something that goes well with nationalism.
Logged

Sam Spade
SamSpade
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 27871


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 11:01:52 am »
Ignore

but the people who really make me want to vomit are these little twerps who call themselves 'democrats' but admire people like ron paul and bob barr.  how the hell does that work?

it's all about teh WAHR!
Logged
Harry
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 19065
United States


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 11:02:28 am »
Ignore

Fundies definitely.  Libertarianism should be annihilated.
Logged
black and white band photos
BRTD
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 72517
United Kingdom


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 11:07:37 am »
Ignore

but the people who really make me want to vomit are these little twerps who call themselves 'democrats' but admire people like ron paul and bob barr.  how the hell does that work?

Easy, Barr takes votes away from McCain and Paul is going to try to cause a huge mess at the GOP convention. It has nothing whatsoever to do with ideology.
Logged




01/05/2004-01/10/2014
JSojourner
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11629
United States


Political Matrix
E: -8.65, S: -6.94

View Profile
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 11:32:04 am »
Ignore

I'd rather not battle any of them, frankly.  But in terms of an easy win, Libertarians and Neo-cons have some intellectuals in their ranks.  Fundies do not and are therefore quite easy to dispatch in an argument.
Logged

Aizen
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4540


Political Matrix
E: -3.23, S: -9.22

View Profile
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 11:40:08 am »
Ignore

Fundies. I like some of the libertarian viewpoints. I absolutely despise fundies so I would love to battle them... and crush them. Neo-cons suck too obviously.
Logged
tik (too cool for uppercase)
ComradeCarter
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4993
United States


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 11:54:55 am »
Ignore

Libertarians at least seem to be a selective breed more concerned with actual ideological debates and, even though I disagree with them on many fronts, could possibly elevate the level of discourse in national debate. Then again, most of the libertarians I know are completely close-minded and therefore impossible to debate with very effectively.
Logged

Stop, for the love of God.
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22538
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 12:09:00 pm »
Ignore

Which political group is considered open minded?
Logged

Franzl
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22226
Germany


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 12:38:40 pm »
Ignore

Which political group is considered open minded?

none, but some more than others.
Logged
Verily
Cuivienen
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 16806


Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

View Profile
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 01:16:42 pm »
Ignore

In terms of making it easiest for my own position to win out? Libertarians. In terms of those I despise the most? Fundamentalists.
Logged
Torie
Moderator
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 27404
United States


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 01:34:54 pm »

I vote for Paleo-cons, a group that embraces notions of pure unadulterated evil.
Logged

Хahar
Xahar
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 38877
Bangladesh


View Profile
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2008, 06:08:50 pm »
Ignore

Neo-cons. I hate them so much.
Logged

Update reading list

The idea of parodying the preceding Atlasian's postings is laughable, of course, but not for reasons one might expect.
Sbane
sbane
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 13508


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2008, 06:12:50 pm »
Ignore

Fundies pretty much piss me off more than any other group in the republican party except for maybe the neocons. The neocons dont really have much support so they are irrelevant. The libertarian wing and the fundie wings are the big 2 in the party and gotta say I like libertarians more. Real Libertarians are just way out their with their ideas but I gotta say it is a little cute. It is a great fantasy to have that there will be no government and you will keep all your tax money. OMG how great.
Logged
Harry
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 19065
United States


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2008, 06:18:45 pm »
Ignore

I guess the difference for me is that fundies at least are doing what they believe is morally right and trying to live a lifestyle that is consistent with that (even though I believe that they are often wrong), whereas libertarians are often just being selfish spoiled dicks.
Logged
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22538
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2008, 11:03:39 pm »
Ignore

I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?
Logged

Harry
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 19065
United States


View Profile
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2008, 11:28:05 pm »
Ignore

I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?
Yes, several of my close friends are libertarians.  Also a good number of my close friends are fundies.  We have lively political debates at times, but we usually talk about other things.
Logged
Warner for Senate '14
benconstine
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30638
United States


View Profile
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2008, 11:33:17 pm »
Ignore

My friend's dad is a Libertarian, I really enjoy debating him; I don't think I've ever met a real diehard Fundie.
Logged

Obama High's debate team:

"Now let me be clear...I...I...um...uh...now let me be clear.  I strongly condemn the affirmative in the strongest possible terms, and I am closely monitoring their arguments.  Let me be clear on this."
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22538
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2008, 11:35:13 pm »
Ignore

I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?
Yes, several of my close friends are libertarians.  Also a good number of my close friends are fundies.  We have lively political debates at times, but we usually talk about other things.
Are they spoiled and rich?
Logged

JSojourner
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11629
United States


Political Matrix
E: -8.65, S: -6.94

View Profile
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2008, 11:48:14 pm »
Ignore

My friend's dad is a Libertarian, I really enjoy debating him; I don't think I've ever met a real diehard Fundie.

In Virginia?  You gotta be kidding!  You must live near D.C.
Logged

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines