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« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2017, 01:06:13 pm »
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Sununu suffers major political defeat, as right to work fails decisively in NH House

Most likely a sign of things to come... and not good things for Mr. Sununu:

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New Hampshire will not become a so-called right-to-work state today, or next year.

The Republican-led House voted to kill the union-targeted legislation Thursday afternoon, ending weeks of high-charged debate. While many expected a close vote, the final tally was much wider, at 200-177. The body then voted to ban consideration of right-to-work for the rest of the session, effectively killing it for the next two years.

The bill’s defeat deals a blow to Republican Gov. Chris Sununu, who had labeled the policy a priority.

Top state Republicans had spent the days and hours before the vote trying to sway opinions toward right-to-work, without success.
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Even if you don't agree with the women stuff, it's really hard to argue that NH is still a competitive swing state. And after 2016 (when Kelly Ayotte and Donald Trump lose the state, despite a very close presidential race and Republicans holding the Senate), this will become clear to you as well, Kingpoleon.

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« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2017, 02:06:07 pm »
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Good job GOPers who voted against that disastrous legislation. Interesting to see where Sunununununu will go from here.
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« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2017, 02:36:15 pm »
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Great news! Thankful for the courage of the anti-RTW NH GOP reps. 

Next step: gain trifectas in a few RTW states during the midterms and repeal these awful laws. And also come up with legislative workarounds in response to the inevitable gutting of public unions in Friedrichs 2.0 whenever Gorsuch joins the Court. 
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« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2017, 03:07:41 pm »
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Is there an explanation for why NH is turning into a safe D state but Maine is trending R?

Who said that a state with Republican trifecta is turning into safe D? All Democratic victories in 2016 were very narrow, and, in some cases (Guinta) - against very flawed opponents..

Republican Quadfecta is more accurate.
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« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2017, 03:11:10 pm »
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the final tally was much wider, at 200-177.

For such a small state, NH has a huge legislature
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« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2017, 03:13:30 pm »
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the final tally was much wider, at 200-177.

For such a small state, NH has a huge legislature
I think the largest per-capita in the world.
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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2017, 03:18:36 pm »
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Is there an explanation for why NH is turning into a safe D state but Maine is trending R?

Who said that a state with Republican trifecta is turning into safe D? All Democratic victories in 2016 were very narrow, and, in some cases (Guinta) - against very flawed opponents..

Meh, I'd also like to chime in that many GOP victories in NH were narrow as well. I believe there were like 3 State Senate races where the Republican only won by 4 or fewer points, and like 6 where it was <8 points. Their grip on power is pretty unstable, but Democrats don't really have any grip either. 2016 had a remarkable number of close races in NH.

But, with that, I'd say the GOP is pretty vulnerable in the legislature and maybe even Gov race in 2018. Probably won't even take national wave conditions to cost the GOP a chamber or two in NH with these kinds of numbers.

edit: ok noticed it was an old post but w/e
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« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2017, 03:20:03 pm »
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the final tally was much wider, at 200-177.

For such a small state, NH has a huge legislature

It's quite pointless too.   People just vote straight ticket 95% of the time, that leads to districts electing slates of representatives that are 100% Democrat or 100% Republican almost universally.  

It would be so easy to downsize the chamber and have it be way more effective.  
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« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2017, 03:31:18 pm »
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the final tally was much wider, at 200-177.

For such a small state, NH has a huge legislature

It's quite pointless too.   People just vote straight ticket 95% of the time, that leads to districts electing slates of representatives that are 100% Democrat or 100% Republican almost universally.  

It would be so easy to downsize the chamber and have it be way more effective.  

But then all those hard working legislators would be out of work!

That said, I also kind of dislike the system that Washington, Arizona, and New Jersey use where each Senate district elects two House members. Leads to smaller communities not being represented enough IMO.
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« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2017, 07:28:08 pm »
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Good job GOPers who voted against that disastrous legislation. Interesting to see where Sunununununu will go from here.
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« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2017, 07:51:44 pm »
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Lol if they can't unite their caucus behind this kind of important legislation.
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« Reply #86 on: February 17, 2017, 12:51:16 am »
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Good that reasonable Republicans, not voting for idiotic legislation, and having their own (distinct from party leadership) opinion on isuues still exist. AFAIK - there are similar Democrats too....
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« Reply #87 on: February 17, 2017, 02:31:03 am »
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the final tally was much wider, at 200-177.

For such a small state, NH has a huge legislature

It's quite pointless too.   People just vote straight ticket 95% of the time, that leads to districts electing slates of representatives that are 100% Democrat or 100% Republican almost universally.  

It would be so easy to downsize the chamber and have it be way more effective.  

But then all those hard working legislators would be out of work!

That said, I also kind of dislike the system that Washington, Arizona, and New Jersey use where each Senate district elects two House members. Leads to smaller communities not being represented enough IMO.

They get paid $200 a term. For 90% of them, it's more a question of losing their hobby they picked up when the kids went off to college rather than any financial concern.
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« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2017, 03:09:24 am »
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the final tally was much wider, at 200-177.

For such a small state, NH has a huge legislature

It's quite pointless too.   People just vote straight ticket 95% of the time, that leads to districts electing slates of representatives that are 100% Democrat or 100% Republican almost universally.  

It would be so easy to downsize the chamber and have it be way more effective.  

But then all those hard working legislators would be out of work!

That said, I also kind of dislike the system that Washington, Arizona, and New Jersey use where each Senate district elects two House members. Leads to smaller communities not being represented enough IMO.

They get paid $200 a term. For 90% of them, it's more a question of losing their hobby they picked up when the kids went off to college rather than any financial concern.

Absolutely. I was surprized at the extremely high number of retired persons in New Hampshire legislature, but only until i saw a legislator's payment sum. It's really a hobby for vast majority of them...
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« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2017, 06:04:59 am »
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I am so happy "right to work" was defeated. I'll take good news wherever I can get it.
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« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2017, 12:41:37 pm »
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Good that reasonable Republicans, not voting for idiotic legislation, and having their own (distinct from party leadership) opinion on isuues still exist. AFAIK - there are similar Democrats too....

Huh, pleasantly surprised you're anti-RTW.
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« Reply #91 on: February 17, 2017, 12:50:24 pm »
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Good that reasonable Republicans, not voting for idiotic legislation, and having their own (distinct from party leadership) opinion on isuues still exist. AFAIK - there are similar Democrats too....

Huh, pleasantly surprised you're anti-RTW.

I am not anti-union, though i can't say i admire all of them. And i am pro-environment, pro-choice (with only minimal restrictions, which looks reasonable to me) and pro-SSM (though it took time for me to come to this position, i was "only" pro civil unions initially). So - i am not that "reactionary", rather very strong "anti-party maverick", who is absolutely mad about present day political polarization (especially - compared to early 1970th when i began to study politics).....
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« Reply #92 on: February 17, 2017, 01:03:07 pm »
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lol does this even matter? We'll have national RTW soon anyway
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« Reply #93 on: February 17, 2017, 06:55:54 pm »
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Good that reasonable Republicans, not voting for idiotic legislation, and having their own (distinct from party leadership) opinion on isuues still exist. AFAIK - there are similar Democrats too....

I think they were terribly afraid of the backlash they would cause with it. NH is a solidly liberal state when it comes to issues like abortion, unions, gay marriage, pot, workers rights etc. It's why Republicans like Sununu basically have to govern like very liberal Republicans/"Democrats lite" in order for them to even stand a small chance of winning reelection in 2018. Scott, Baker and Hogan seem to be much better at this than Sununu, though.

The ultra conservative NH of the 80s is long gone, and Sununu needs to realize this ASAP.
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Even if you don't agree with the women stuff, it's really hard to argue that NH is still a competitive swing state. And after 2016 (when Kelly Ayotte and Donald Trump lose the state, despite a very close presidential race and Republicans holding the Senate), this will become clear to you as well, Kingpoleon.

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« Reply #94 on: February 17, 2017, 07:02:21 pm »
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Good that reasonable Republicans, not voting for idiotic legislation, and having their own (distinct from party leadership) opinion on isuues still exist. AFAIK - there are similar Democrats too....

I think they were terribly afraid of the backlash they would cause with it. NH is a solidly liberal state when it comes to issues like abortion, unions, gay marriage, pot, workers rights etc. It's why Republicans like Sununu basically have to govern like very liberal Republicans/"Democrats lite" in order for them to even stand a small chance of winning reelection in 2018. Scott, Baker and Hogan seem to be much better at this than Sununu, though.

The ultra conservative NH of the 80s is long gone, and Sununu needs to realize this ASAP.

-NH, like VT, had a strong 1980 Anderson vote.
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« Reply #95 on: February 18, 2017, 06:26:27 am »
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« Reply #96 on: February 18, 2017, 12:20:20 pm »
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lol does this even matter? We'll have national RTW soon anyway

Not so long as it takes 8 Democrats to sign off on it. If Republicans find a way to do it without them (filibuster "reform"?), then Democrats can just as easily roll it back next time we have full control, even if that takes a while.
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« Reply #97 on: February 18, 2017, 03:11:31 pm »
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Good job GOPers who voted against that disastrous legislation. Interesting to see where Sunununununu will go from here.
A major setback for the governor. Certainly will be interesting to see.
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