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« on: August 30, 2004, 05:00:50 PM »

Eminent domain is the taking of private property for public use.

Option 3 for me.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2004, 05:07:14 PM »

I don't even support the paying of taxes for public use, why would i want to give them land?
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2004, 05:21:27 PM »

There are good reasons for eminent domain. As long as the land owner is paid market value and relocation costs (and loss of future business in the case of busineses) it is not inherently a bad thing.

In Phoenix right now, we are building a light rail system, and many homes and businesses (mostly businesses) must be relocated.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2004, 05:22:02 PM »

I oppose erectile dysfunction.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2004, 05:22:46 PM »

LOL!
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2004, 05:28:59 PM »


LOL, true, but I'd rather have old people keep that sort of thing secret instead of running around bragging about how great Viagra is and putting bad pictures in my mind.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2004, 05:37:43 PM »

Ind - Oppose

Bogart,
Do you live in Mesa?Are you familiar with the whole Baily breaks thing?
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2004, 05:39:30 PM »

Ind - Oppose

Bogart,
Do you live in Mesa?Are you familiar with the whole Baily breaks thing?

I live on Indian School just off Central.  No, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2004, 05:46:24 PM »

Ind - Oppose

Bogart,
Do you live in Mesa?Are you familiar with the whole Baily breaks thing?

I live on Indian School just off Central.  No, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
My memory is kinda flakey, but I found this page that explains it.
Basicly the city of Mesa was taking private property from one citizen to give to another.

To be fair Bailey was offered a pretty generous compensation which this article does not mention.
I cant find the details for it right now, but ill look them up if you want.

http://www.ij.org/cases/property/mesa_az.shtml
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2004, 05:51:40 PM »

Ind - Oppose

Bogart,
Do you live in Mesa?Are you familiar with the whole Baily breaks thing?

I live on Indian School just off Central.  No, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
My memory is kinda flakey, but I found this page that explains it.
Basicly the city of Mesa was taking private property from one citizen to give to another.

To be fair Bailey was offered a pretty generous compensation which this article does not mention.
I cant find the details for it right now, but ill look them up if you want.

http://www.ij.org/cases/property/mesa_az.shtml

That's a terrible article. Clearly, this was a blatant abuse and not at all what eminent domain was intended for.

How do you feel about the light rail system? Too much, not enough...waste of money?
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2004, 05:57:28 PM »

Ind - Oppose

Bogart,
Do you live in Mesa?Are you familiar with the whole Baily breaks thing?

I live on Indian School just off Central.  No, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
My memory is kinda flakey, but I found this page that explains it.
Basicly the city of Mesa was taking private property from one citizen to give to another.

To be fair Bailey was offered a pretty generous compensation which this article does not mention.
I cant find the details for it right now, but ill look them up if you want.

http://www.ij.org/cases/property/mesa_az.shtml

That's a terrible article. Clearly, this was a blatant abuse and not at all what eminent domain was intended for.

How do you feel about the light rail system? Too much, not enough...waste of money?

I dont know, right now im without a car and ride the bus alot. I dont understand why we need light rail when we can improve are bus system. It seems more practical to me. To be fair I havent taken a carefull look at the proposal yet.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2004, 06:03:16 PM »

I support eminent domain. Without it, almost no highways would ever be built. There would always be one person somewhere along the route who would refuse to sell.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2004, 07:18:21 PM »

They built a Lowes here in our town and a person would not take the price for his house that Lowes offered. They kept coming back and offering more money. He said it wasn't enough...eventually they told him to bug off and built the whole store and parking lot around his lot.....He can't sell the house now and its been on the market for almost two years.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2004, 09:08:01 PM »

If I remeber correctly, a few years back there was this guy who owned a few acres of farmland near the airport. He was a subsistance farmer, so that land was how he kept himself fed. About two-thirds of the land was eminent domained to make the airport bigger.

Guess where I stand on eminent domain.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2004, 09:27:01 PM »

Hey John,

Are you familiar with the Fantasy Government on the bottom of the forum? We've started a Libertarian Party and we have 4 members but we're struggling to get our 5th.

I'm currently the chairman of the party because I have the most time.
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2004, 09:32:16 PM »

Hey John,

Are you familiar with the Fantasy Government on the bottom of the forum? We've started a Libertarian Party and we have 4 members but we're struggling to get our 5th.

I'm currently the chairman of the party because I have the most time.

I guess I could join up. I mean, I did join the actual Libertarian Party, something not enough libertarians do.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2004, 09:38:14 PM »

It is obvious that without Eminent Domain there would not exist highways, railways, airports, ports and many other examples of infraestructure.
There are some things called 'public goods' and if your position is that the government should not have any authority to do some sort of things, then we would all be living like in the Mongolian prairies.
You cannot be that fundamentalist.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2004, 10:44:52 PM »

I oppose eminent domain in all cases when it affects residential property - except when the owners OR RESIDENTIAL TENANTS[/i] agree with the payment the government gives them.

For nonresidential property I oppose involuntary eminent domain EXCEPT[/i] in the case of obvious blight.

Eminent domain is a highly abused area of the law, and Congress must stop the extreme abuses that are taking place now.

The reason I insist on proper compensation for residential tenants is that I view housing as a right. I believe this was the intent of the Founding Fathers.
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2004, 11:03:52 PM »

It is obvious that without Eminent Domain there would not exist highways, railways, airports, ports and many other examples of infraestructure.
There are some things called 'public goods' and if your position is that the government should not have any authority to do some sort of things, then we would all be living like in the Mongolian prairies.
You cannot be that fundamentalist.

Taxes could be raised on the rich, and that money could be used to fairly compensate owners of residential property.
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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2004, 03:39:30 AM »
« Edited: August 31, 2004, 08:24:18 AM by Bono »

Option 5. But only in principle, since without it not much would get done. So I guess it's ok, nut in small dosage.
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2004, 03:54:11 AM »

Here in Atlantic City, there is an old home built around Trump Plaza Casino Hotel. For over 20 years Donald Trump has been trying to purchase the home, but the old lady who lives there refuses.

He has offered her at least three times what the property is worth, but she has always refused.
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2004, 06:35:21 AM »

Here in Atlantic City, there is an old home built around Trump Plaza Casino Hotel. For over 20 years Donald Trump has been trying to purchase the home, but the old lady who lives there refuses.

He has offered her at least three times what the property is worth, but she has always refused.

I love that house.

He has also offered her free living for the remainder of her life in a suite in the Trump hotel of her choice with free room service.  SHe refuses.

I want to buy that house from her when she dies.  I would so take him up on that offer.
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2004, 08:14:49 AM »

I support eminent domain. Without it, almost no highways would ever be built. There would always be one person somewhere along the route who would refuse to sell.
I am in complete agreement, Nym. If a city is to build anything - roads, wells, a sewer treatment plant, then land is needed. Many of these items cannot go wherever and specific properties must be acquired. The constitution makes it clear that any land taken for the public use must be compensated for. Eminent domain in the US is not the power to take land, but the power to take it only if the owner receives compensation.

In many cases that compensation is well in excess of the fair market value plus relocation expense. Like any other party seeking to acquire land, a unit of government may have to pay a premium to entice a reluctant seller, or to expedite the process. Condemnation through eminent domain is actually a slow process through the courts, so governments will more than likely pay extra to avoid the time.

In our city there is a large public works project going up to treat the drinking water. The location of the wells and distribution system severely limited the choice of locations where the treatment plant could be built. Like many sites the land needed was held by multiple owners. Some were interested in selling and did so quickly. One woman wanted to live in her house on the edge of the land until she died, and that was negotiated into the purchase agreement. One land owner didn't want to sell because he wanted a business arrangement that generally was not permitted in the suburbs. The city initiated condemnation procedures on his parcel of land. That action brought the parties back to the table and the land owner got considerably more than the appraised value in order to end the legal action. In the end, everyone got more than a fair deal and the residents got a necessary improvement to their water system.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2004, 09:52:42 AM »

I would prefer it if eminent domain were more strictly tied in to the assessed values used for property taxes.  It would certainly encourage people to make certain that their property was assessed at its true value instead of at an artifically low value.
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2004, 02:06:19 PM »

See how easy it can be for Democrats and Republicans to agree on some things?  
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