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« on: June 14, 2008, 10:16:57 AM »

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/13/cneuro113.xml

   

Support for euro in doubt as Germans reject Latin bloc notes

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 1:26am BST 13/06/2008

Notes printed in Berlin have more currency for bank customers who fear a 'value crisis'

Ordinary Germans have begun to reject euro bank notes with serial numbers from Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal, raising concerns that public support for monetary union may be waning in the eurozone's anchor country.

Germany's Handelsblatt newspaper says bankers have detected a curious pattern where customers are withdrawing cash directly from branches, screening the notes to determine the origin of issue. They ask for paper from the southern states to be exchanged for German notes.

Each country prints its own notes according to its economic weight, under strict guidelines from the European Central Bank in Frankfurt. The German notes have an "X"' at the start of the serial numbers, showing that they come from the Bundesdruckerei in Berlin.
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Italian notes have an "S" from the Instituto Poligrafico in Rome, and Spanish notes have a "V" from the Fabrica Nacional de Moneda in Madrid. The notes are entirely interchangeable and circulate freely through the eurozone and, indeed, beyond.

People clearly suspect that southern notes may lose value in a crisis, or if the eurozone breaks apart. This is what happened in the US in the Jackson era of the 1840s when dollar notes from different regions traded at different values.
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"The scurrilous idea behind this is that if the eurozone should succumb to growing divergences, then it is best to cling to most stable countries," said the Handelsblatt.

"There are no grounds for panic. The Italian state is not Bear Stearns," it said.

Germans appear to be responding to a mix of concerns. Many own property in Spain or Portugal and have become aware of the Iberian housing slump.

A spate of news articles in the German press has begun to highlight the economic rift between the North and South of eurozone.

There is criticism of comments from Italian, Spanish, and French politicians that threaten the independence of the ECB, viewed as sacrosanct in Germany.

But the key concern appears to be price stability. Germany's wholesale inflation rate reached 8.1pc in May, the highest level in 26 years.

The cost of bread, milk and other staples has rocketed, adding to the sense that prices are spiralling out of control. Ordinary people are blaming the new currency - the "Teuro" - a pun on expensive - for their travails in the supermarket, even though the recent spike in farm goods and energy prices has nothing to do with monetary union.

Inflation touches a very sensitive nerve in Germany. Holger Schmeiding, from Bank of America, said the country had suffered two traumatic sets of inflation in living memory, first in Weimar in 1923 and then in 1948.

"People suffered a 90pc haircut on financial assets in the currency reform of 1948. The inflationary effects of two world wars were catastrophic," he said.

A group of leading German professors warned at the outset of EMU that the euro would tend to be weaker than old Deutsche Mark, and that it would fuel inflation over time. German citizens were never given a vote on the abolition of the D-Mark, which had become a symbol of Germany's rebirth after the war.

Many have kept a stash of D-Marks hidden in mattresses to this day. A recent IPOS poll showed that 59pc of Germany now had serious doubts about the euro.


I hope this shows Sarkozy that his neo-Keyneian shenanigans are unacceptable.
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 11:00:13 AM »
« Edited: June 14, 2008, 11:11:06 AM by Old Europe »

Honestly, I never heard of that before.

You sure it's actually true?




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I havent't... and I don't know anybody who has. Seems more like a urban legend to me.
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 04:10:31 AM »

Lovely if true.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 07:49:23 AM »

Sounds like utter nonsense.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 09:29:30 AM »

If true, reality sometimes goes over what I expect!

European Union goes on...! On what...?
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 04:57:26 AM »

Never heard of, and, if based on fact at all, certain to be limited to certain sections of the upper middle class. It's not as if Handelsblatt was a widely-read paper or attempting to address anyone outside a specialist readership (it's kind of like WSJ etc).

Each country prints its own notes according to its economic weight, under strict guidelines from the European Central Bank in Frankfurt. The German notes have an "X"' at the start of the serial numbers, showing that they come from the Bundesdruckerei in Berlin.
Italian notes have an "S" from the Instituto Poligrafico in Rome, and Spanish notes have a "V" from the Fabrica Nacional de Moneda in Madrid. The notes are entirely interchangeable and circulate freely through the eurozone and, indeed, beyond.
What's a U for? I checked the notes in my pocket and I had an X and two Us.
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Factually wrong. Virtually no Germans own property in Portugal. And although Spain is the no.1 destination for short-term vacations, and there are Germans owning property/living there, I'm fairly sure it's behind Italy in that, probably behind France as well. Retiring to Spain is more commonly done by Brits.

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I think I would have noticed that.
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Never seen that figure, although as it seems to be a component of inflation we're talking here, I have no doubts about its veracity.

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Correct.
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Actually, the postwar years 45-8 was a traumatic deflation (the whole Depression era was deflationary, of course, just as the whole decade before 1923 was a high-inflation period). Basically, money became so rare that many people went without entirely, and the real "currency" people calculated in was the cigarette.

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Ah, the flexible concept of "many". Journalists love the mischief that can be done with that. (Goes for the entire article, really).
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The broad tendency of such polls is increasing acceptance of the Euro.

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 05:00:38 AM »

Retiring to Spain is more commonly done by Brits.

...and generally done by the type of person who thinks that there are too many immigrants in Britain!
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 05:31:49 AM »
« Edited: June 18, 2008, 05:49:50 AM by Old Europe »

What's a U for? I checked the notes in my pocket and I had an X and two Us.

U = France

Also see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Country_letters


I've got two X's (Germany) and a S (Italy) in my pocket right now. Well, this Telegraph article was good for one thing: Now I know that those letters actually stand for different countries.

Btw, the "J" is reserved for the United Kingdom. Wink



EDIT: And on the front of the notes is a very small code which identifies the printing work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Printing_works).

I've got one note from the Bundesdruckerei (Berlin), one from Giesecke & Devrient (Munich/Leipzig) and one from the Istituto Poligrafico e Zecca dello Stato (Rome).

Interestingly, Giesecke & Devrient does not only print banknotes for Germany, but also for Finland, Austria, France, Spain, and Greece. It's not the only printing work producing notes for different countries though... for example, the National Bank of Belgium is printing notes for France, Spain, and Greece. So, if you got a note with a "V" (= Spain), it could actually have been printed in Brussels or Munich.

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