The Great War

[HappyWarrior]

I think Roosevelt would run for a third term, if only to finish the job he started.

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Now CS President Arango and US President Roosevelt would meet for concessions from the United States and to sign a treaty to end the American Front of the Great War. The Confederacy would lay claim to Maryland, Delaware and Missouri and after a fierce haggling over the new border with the US and the Confederacy. The Treaty of Philadelphia would have Delware, Most of Maryland, Most of Southern Missouri and parts of West Virginia were annexed to the CSA, Britain would move in and annex more of northern Maine and bully out a official treaty with the Mormons to form the Kingdom of Deseret. After the treaty, many US flags flew upside down all across the nation as the Entente Powers went to work butchering America even more, the US capitol of Washington DC was annexed along with the rest of the conceded territory to the CS and the US would implace there official capitol in Philadelphia for now until they can find a better capitol since the Confederates border is now close to Philadelphia. In the Confederate States Victory Day would come from this win over the US again and celebration would be all over the nation but with a cost, many casualties from this war had drained the CS and also their allies Britain and France would push for the creation of Black regiments in the army and they would set the date about in late 1920. With the separate peace in America, Europe was having there own breakthroughs, the French and British forces were having more luck at their push into Germany after resources from the US had dried up for Germany and the war in Europe would finally end in 1920 and a puppet state would be set up in southern Germany would be controlled by the joint Entente Powers and a re-annexation of Alsace-Lorraine to France again would be also in the Peace of Paris.

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Frances annexes Alsace-Lorraine?

[Historia Crux]

Frances annexes Alsace-Lorraine?

DOH! I just looked it up and the Germans annexed it during the Great War, sorry I'll change that.

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Frances annexes Alsace-Lorraine?

DOH! I just looked it up and the Germans annexed it during the Great War, sorry I'll change that.

In OTL, France ceded Alsace-Lorraine to Germany following our defeat in the Franco-Prussian War. Hitler annexed Alsace-Lorraine automatically when World War II started.

[Historia Crux]

Frances annexes Alsace-Lorraine?

DOH! I just looked it up and the Germans annexed it during the Great War, sorry I'll change that.

In OTL, France ceded Alsace-Lorraine to Germany following our defeat in the Franco-Prussian War. Hitler annexed Alsace-Lorraine automatically when World War II started.

It did? Well then I'll guess I'll change it back to the origional since I think the Franco-Prussian War was the same so would Alsace-Lorraine go back to France in this timeline?

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If the Allies win World War I, yes it would, for sure. Getting Alsace-Lorraine back was top war priority for France.

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If the Allies win World War I, yes it would, for sure. Getting Alsace-Lorraine back was top war priority for France.

Okay, thanks!

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The Socialist Nomination
After the US defeat in the Great War people wanted a peaceful time for now and of course there was also many people that were embittered by the turn of events but it did seem like a "red" year. Many candidates would run but only Upton Sinclair and Eugene V. Debs would be serious contenders for the nomination. After five votes to get the nominee didn't yield one, it would take two more times until Debs took the lead and on the 8Th vote Eugene V. Debs squeaked into the nomination and offered the Vice Presidency to his major rival Upton Sinclair which he accepted the VP slot.

The Democratic Nomination
The incumbent Theodore Roosevelt would begin his run for a historic third term and this would scare some people and after having token candidates for the nomination, Roosevelt would easily gain the nomination and once again pick George Kennan as his Vice President.

The Republican Nomination
The Republicans were hoping to capitalize on the American people that were turned away from Roosevelt after he lost the Great War. They would have a larger number of candidates than all the other years and Senator Howard Sutherland(WV) was the frontrunner in the race for the nomination followed by Nicholas Murray. Sutherland would be easily nominated and would have Nicholas Murray would become his VP.

Election of 1920
D-Theodore Roosevelt/George Kennan
S-Eugene Debs/Upton Sinclair
R-Howard Sutherland/Nicholas Murray

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Okay, now with the tickets picked, who do you think is going to win in the Election of 1920?

S-Debs/Sinclair
D-Roosevelt/Kennan
R-Sutherland/Murray

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Anyone have any comments?

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Posts coming tomorrow!

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After the Great War had ended, many people had turned away from the Democrats and had instead supported the Socialist or the Republicans in the upcoming Presidential Election. Debs would run under a peace with the CS platform and a return to the age of peace instead "The Age of persistant fighting made possible by TR and the Democrats", this would become a campaign theme for the Socialists. People were also scared of the idea of a third term presidency and after a suprise polls showed the Democrats down very far in polling:

Debs/Sinclair - 44%
Roosevelt/Kennan - 36%
Sutherland/Murray - 11%
Other - 2%
Undecided - 7%

The Presidential Election of 1920
Polling would hold steady and more people would turn away from the Democrats, people now wanted peace and on election day they decided.


Eugene Debs/Upton Sinclair: 49% 270 EV
Theodore Roosevelt/George Kennan: 37% 68 EV
Howard Sutherland/Nicholas Murray: 12% 18 EV
Others (Prohibition, American, etc) 2% 0 EV

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The First Term of Eugene Victor Debs (1921-1925)

After Debs election to the presidency under a "Peace with the World" platform, on March 4th, 1921 Eugene Victor Debs would become the 29th President and the first Socialist President. Debs would outline his Isolationistic idea for the nation and to bring in it's forces from other nations and try to survive in the changed world. President Debs had a Socialist majority in both the House and the Senate and one of the first things to face was the proposal by the Democrats to join the Alliance of National Powers but the unwilling Socialists would vote this down, much to the anger of the Democrats and the Democratic Senate Minority Leader Warren Harding.

The Mexican Revolution would begin and the US would support the rebels fighting against the Mexican Emperor and his Loyalists, thought they supported the Rebels they wouldn't funnel money or weapons to them and would ultimately lead to the Loyalists triumph in the Revolution, US General Pershing would call President Debs a "Weakman". President Debs would also pass the 19th Amendment, officially making universal sufferage for women but the Supreme Court would have some trouble with this and rule it as unconstitutional and would rule that state government must decide to allow sufferage to women. The Horatio Seymour Memorial would open in Philadelphia, PA and President Debs and former President Roosevelt would attend the opening of the memorial.

Under President Debs the hyperinflation would damage the economy as dollars would equal bare nothing and millions would equal enough to by some needed foods bread, eggs, etc. The Capitol Relocation Act of 1923 would be passed with much opposition by the Democrats in the name of history but many would come around because of the location from the CS border, the act would take effect when either Debs would be reelected or a new President was elected they would be sworn in at New York City now and Federal Hall would then become the Presidential building.