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« on: June 20, 2008, 01:07:17 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 01:19:57 pm »
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why do we have to have these discussions?

Luke 6:5 For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

Eph 5:3-4 3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for the Lord's people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 01:21:26 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 01:24:00 pm »
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Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 01:42:37 pm »
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Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.

oh, I see, the actions of my fellow Christians are my standard, not scripture?!

look, I defend what is written in scripture; not the arguments of men
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 02:06:46 pm »
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Does it harm anyone against their consent?

Yeah, that's what I thought. No.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 02:10:36 pm »
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Does it harm anyone against their consent?

Yeah, that's what I thought. No.

That's not the definition of sin though.

Yes, I think it's sinful. That doesn't mean I don't do it (more than I should).

Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian right? In case you forgot, he was responsible for blowing up a federal building, killing nearly two hundred people. Does that make it acceptable by Christian standards?
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 02:20:28 pm »
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Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.

oh, I see, the actions of my fellow Christians are my standard, not scripture?!

look, I defend what is written in scripture; not the arguments of men
Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian right? In case you forgot, he was responsible for blowing up a federal building, killing nearly two hundred people. Does that make it acceptable by Christian standards?

Gotta agree with these two - the actions of people who claim to be members of a religion are not necessarily the standard by which that religion judges what is sinful/morally wrong. In the case of Christianity, as jmfcst points out, the Bible sets the standards.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 02:26:54 pm »
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Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.

Tons of murders, probably most, are Christians too!
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Does it harm anyone against their consent?

Yeah, that's what I thought. No.

that's the defintion of legality, not morality.  

The law doesn't, nor should it, make immorality illegal.  Otherwise, there would be no religious freedom.

What the law attempts to do, and what it should do, is defend the life and property of others.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 02:30:17 pm »
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Kevin Smith is a Christian. Take a look at his movies.

Tons of murders, probably most, are Christians too!

No, only godless liberals are murderers.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 02:41:43 pm »
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that's the defintion of legality, not morality. 

Nah, not even the definition of legality.  It's the definition of morality to many of us secular folk.  The law is perfectly happy to sit idly by while you smoke and drink yourself to death with dependent children.  On the same token, it's happy to allow parents to do virtually anything short of beat their children to death, without legal intervention.  That ain't legality.
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that's the defintion of legality, not morality. 

Nah, not even the definition of legality.  It's the definition of morality to many of us secular folk.  The law is perfectly happy to sit idly by while you smoke and drink yourself to death with independent children.  On the same token, it's happy to allow parents to do virtually anything short of beat their children to death without legal intervention.  That ain't legality.

in your case, beatings are understandable

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 03:06:06 pm »
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that's the defintion of legality, not morality. 

Nah, not even the definition of legality.  It's the definition of morality to many of us secular folk.  The law is perfectly happy to sit idly by while you smoke and drink yourself to death with independent children.  On the same token, it's happy to allow parents to do virtually anything short of beat their children to death without legal intervention.  That ain't legality.

in your case, beatings are understandable

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 03:30:43 pm »
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Does it harm anyone against their consent?

Yeah, that's what I thought. No.

That's not the definition of sin though.

Yes, I think it's sinful. That doesn't mean I don't do it (more than I should).
The question could also be interpreted as asking if it's simply morally wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 04:27:25 pm »
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It's probably wrong to do but certainly not the worst thing a human could offend God with. Plus, some words we use now were non-existent during biblical times. Are those banned by the Bible as well?
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 04:57:03 pm »
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The Bible clearly states that it is, so therefore, within a Christian context, jmfcst is correct.
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Does it harm anyone against their consent?

Yeah, that's what I thought. No.

That's not the definition of sin though.

Yes, I think it's sinful. That doesn't mean I don't do it (more than I should).
The question could also be interpreted as asking if it's simply morally wrong.

Well, I don't believe that morality is simply based on whether or not we willing go against another's wishes but I guess that's another discussion.
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Timothy McVeigh was a Christian right?

No. He was an agnostic.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2008, 12:01:25 am »
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The real question is this: Is it the state's duty to enforce laws against sin?
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2008, 01:31:03 am »
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Timothy McVeigh was a Christian right?

No. He was an agnostic.

Wrong.

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After his parents' divorce, McVeigh lived with his father; his sisters moved to Florida with their mother. He and his father were devout Roman Catholics who often attended daily Mass. In a recorded interview with Time Magazine[3] McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "never really picked it [back] up". The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter claiming to be an agnostic.[4] He was given a Catholic ritual before his execution.
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that blurb doesn't really contradict what BRTD said
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2008, 08:37:22 am »
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I don't put that much power in individual words.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2008, 10:34:27 am »
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that's the defintion of legality, not morality. 

Nah, not even the definition of legality.  It's the definition of morality to many of us secular folk.  The law is perfectly happy to sit idly by while you smoke and drink yourself to death with independent children.  On the same token, it's happy to allow parents to do virtually anything short of beat their children to death without legal intervention.  That ain't legality.

in your case, beatings are understandable

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2008, 11:47:49 am »
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that blurb doesn't really contradict what BRTD said

I didn't notice the part where he claimed to be an agnostic but at the same time, he professes a faith in "a God."

Whatever the case, BRTD is a total moron for using the example of behavior of a Christian as justification for such behavior.
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