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Otto von Bismarck   -1 (7.1%)
Napoleon Bonaparte   -4 (28.6%)
Charles Darwin   -1 (7.1%)
Abraham Lincoln   -3 (21.4%)
Karl Marx   -0 (0%)
Klemens Wenzel von Metternich   -1 (7.1%)
Louis Pasteur   -1 (7.1%)
Victoria   -3 (21.4%)
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« on: June 24, 2008, 11:20:03 am »
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Vote for the Atlas Person of the 19th Century. Nominations are compiled from the thread here. The poll will run for 3 days.

Please explain the reason for your choice.





 
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 11:33:14 am »
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Metternich, the progenitor of the old order.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 12:57:15 pm »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 01:00:56 pm »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty. saving the greatest nation on earth.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 01:13:53 pm »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty. saving the greatest nation on earth.

From what, may I ask?
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 05:43:21 pm »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty. saving the greatest nation on earth.

From what, may I ask?

From being split, and irrevocably weakened.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 11:23:57 am »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty. saving the greatest nation on earth.

From what, may I ask?

From being split, and irrevocably weakened.
Yeah, because the war left us completely invulnerable to outside attack
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 05:10:20 pm »
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Von Bismarck, for changing the face of European international politics in a far more lasting manner than any of the others listed here.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 07:51:49 pm »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty. saving the greatest nation on earth.

From what, may I ask?

From being split, and irrevocably weakened.

Just like King George III tried to keep the British Empire from being split and irrevocably weakened.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 12:28:03 pm »
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1 for Darwin (me) and 0 for Marx, strikes as remarkable compared to 3 for Victoria (!).
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 12:35:02 pm »
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1 for Darwin (me) and 0 for Marx, strikes as remarkable compared to 3 for Victoria (!).

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That is strange.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 12:44:23 pm »
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1 for Darwin (me) and 0 for Marx, strikes as remarkable compared to 3 for Victoria (!).

Wow.  That is surprising, to say the least.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2008, 07:27:57 am »
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There isn't one, really.

But write-in Alfred Russel Wallace just for lolz
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2008, 08:05:39 pm »
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Abraham Lincoln, for leading what was the freest nation of Earth into a war to dissolve state sovereignty. saving the greatest nation on earth.

From what, may I ask?

From being split, and irrevocably weakened.

Just like King George III tried to keep the British Empire from being split and irrevocably weakened.
Because Slavery is completley okay and state's rights beat human rights...
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2008, 08:13:16 pm »
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Because Slavery is completley okay and state's rights beat human rights...
You really should open a history book if you think
A.) Lincoln cared even a tad about freeing the slaves (the I'd free all the slaves or none of the slaves to free the union quote)
B.) The Civil War was based on slavery
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2008, 12:17:47 am »
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Because Slavery is completley okay and state's rights beat human rights...
You really should open a history book if you think
A.) Lincoln cared even a tad about freeing the slaves (the I'd free all the slaves or none of the slaves to free the union quote)
B.) The Civil War was based on slavery
No he did not but he was against it expanding in any form and the Republican Party was the more leftist party against freeing the slaves. Lesser of two evils here.
Also on the bottom one wtf? The Civil War was almost totally based off of slavery, and the issues it created. The deep South seceeded from the Union because it was afraid Lincoln would free all the slaves and destroy their economy, and most of the upper South seceeded because Lincoln was going to put down the rebellion and march on the Confederacy. This was unacceptable to most of the Upper South.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2008, 08:11:38 am »
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Because Slavery is completley okay and state's rights beat human rights...
You really should open a history book if you think
A.) Lincoln cared even a tad about freeing the slaves (the I'd free all the slaves or none of the slaves to free the union quote)
B.) The Civil War was based on slavery
No he did not but he was against it expanding in any form and the Republican Party was the more leftist party against freeing the slaves. Lesser of two evils here.
Also on the bottom one wtf? The Civil War was almost totally based off of slavery, and the issues it created. The deep South seceeded from the Union because it was afraid Lincoln would free all the slaves and destroy their economy, and most of the upper South seceeded because Lincoln was going to put down the rebellion and march on the Confederacy. This was unacceptable to most of the Upper South.
The lower south seceded over tariffs and state right's, the upper South seceded because they did not want Lincoln to start a war
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2008, 08:00:47 pm »
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Because Slavery is completley okay and state's rights beat human rights...
You really should open a history book if you think
A.) Lincoln cared even a tad about freeing the slaves (the I'd free all the slaves or none of the slaves to free the union quote)
B.) The Civil War was based on slavery
No he did not but he was against it expanding in any form and the Republican Party was the more leftist party against freeing the slaves. Lesser of two evils here.
Also on the bottom one wtf? The Civil War was almost totally based off of slavery, and the issues it created. The deep South seceeded from the Union because it was afraid Lincoln would free all the slaves and destroy their economy, and most of the upper South seceeded because Lincoln was going to put down the rebellion and march on the Confederacy. This was unacceptable to most of the Upper South.
The lower south seceded over tariffs and state right's, the upper South seceded because they did not want Lincoln to start a war
This is what caused South Carolina to seceede and they say it themselves:
The refusal of Northern states to enforce the fugitive slave code, violating Southern personal property rights;
Agitation against slavery, which "denied the rights of property".
Assisting "thousands of slaves to leave their homes" through the Underground Railroad.
The election of Lincoln "because he has declared that 'Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,' and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction
"...elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens". Most Northerners opposed the Dred Scott decision, although only a few New England states allowed blacks an equal right to vote.

That is in their own words. Now if you really think the whole Civil War was started because of some tarriffs you must be smoking something. It was a factor that did make some rich planation owners pretty pissed but it is almost all slavery.
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2008, 01:05:34 am »
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Even so, the South's secession to protect slavery, if that was the reason, would have been completely nonsensical. Since the South would have been an independent nation, the North would have had no obligation under the Fugutive Slave Act to return escaped slaves. I seriously doubt that slavery would have lasted until 1865 without the war.
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