Are you annoyed by lumping entire metro areas in with the central city?

[Хahar 🤔]

Hell, I tell people I'm from San Francisco because they don't know where San Jose is.

How could that be, after this?

Do you know the way to San Jose?
I've been away so long
I may go wrong and lose my way
Do you know the way to San Jose
I'm going back to find some piece of mind San Jose -a
L. A. is a great big freeway
Put a hundred down a by a car
In a week - or maybe two - they'll make you a star
Weeks turn into years and quickly pass
And all the stars there never were a parkin' cars and pumpin' gas
I've got lots of friends in San Jose
Wo oh oh oh
Can't wait to get back to San Jose
Wo oh oh oh
Do You know the way to San Jose?

I don't think they're particularly familiar with really old music.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Hell, I tell people I'm from San Francisco because they don't know where San Jose is.

How could that be, after this?

Do you know the way to San Jose?
I've been away so long
I may go wrong and lose my way
Do you know the way to San Jose
I'm going back to find some piece of mind San Jose -a
L. A. is a great big freeway
Put a hundred down a by a car
In a week - or maybe two - they'll make you a star
Weeks turn into years and quickly pass
And all the stars there never were a parkin' cars and pumpin' gas
I've got lots of friends in San Jose
Wo oh oh oh
Can't wait to get back to San Jose
Wo oh oh oh
Do You know the way to San Jose?

I don't think they're particularly familiar with really old music.

Xahar, please stop and go outside and play with your lil friends........

[King]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

Also, I think in Los Angeles there are actually "suburbs" that are surrounded by LA on all sides (Inglewood?) so they are kind of "in the city limits" though they are incorporated.

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

What about the Bay Area? Is it three cities? Or more?

[Sbane]

The bay area is easy because everyone knows what you are talking about and you do not have to say a specific city..... oh yeah f*** Tampa. LOL

[King]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

What about the Bay Area? Is it three cities? Or more?

It is like three metro areas in one.  San Francisco-San Rafael-Redwood City; San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara-Cupertino; Oakland-Alameda... I guess Concord and Walnut Creek can go with Oakland, too.

Oakland and San Jose metro areas are suburbs of a San Francisco metro area.  Totally ed up stuff.

The BART is the only thing in common and to San Jose even that is just recent.

[12th Doctor]

No, in fact, I think it is more accurate than just going by "city-proper".  I don't think of Pittsburgh as one city with 300,000 people, I think of it as an area with 2.5 million.

[Sbane]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

What about the Bay Area? Is it three cities? Or more?

It is like three metro areas in one.  San Francisco-San Rafael-Redwood City; San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara-Cupertino; Oakland-Alameda... I guess Concord and Walnut Creek can go with Oakland, too.

Oakland and San Jose metro areas are suburbs of a San Francisco metro area.  Totally ed up stuff.

The BART is the only thing in common and to San Jose even that is just recent.

I guess it is 3 different metros but in reality there is no stop in urbanization anywhere along the bay. Even all the inland areas have been built up and now the bay area is encroaching upon the central valley. But like I said it is easy for us because when anybody asks me where I am from I say bay area and not Pleasanton or SF or Oakland.

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

What about the Bay Area? Is it three cities? Or more?

It is like three metro areas in one.  San Francisco-San Rafael-Redwood City; San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara-Cupertino; Oakland-Alameda... I guess Concord and Walnut Creek can go with Oakland, too.

Oakland and San Jose metro areas are suburbs of a San Francisco metro area.  Totally ed up stuff.

The BART is the only thing in common and to San Jose even that is just recent.

I guess it is 3 different metros but in reality there is no stop in urbanization anywhere along the bay. Even all the inland areas have been built up and now the bay area is encroaching upon the central valley. But like I said it is easy for us because when anybody asks me where I am from I say bay area and not Pleasanton or SF or Oakland.

The Census Bureau actually defines it as two metro areas: SF-Oakland and San Jose-Santa Clara. Really stupid.

[The Mikado]

No. Why would I? I don't have stupid hangups about suburbs that I stupidly obsess over. Besides, if I tell someone out of state I live in Smyrna they have no idea where I'm talking about, but if I tell them Atlanta or metro-Atlanta they do know.

Or think that you live in the Byzantine Empire.

[Hash]

Voted yes, but meant to vote no.

I don't have a problem with people from Orleans saying they're from Ottawa or people from Nepean saying they're from Ottawa.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, in fact, I think it is more accurate than just going by "city-proper".  I don't think of Pittsburgh as one city with 300,000 people, I think of it as an area with 2.5 million.

Despite the fact that the outer fringes of the area are absolutely nothing like inner Pittsburgh?

[King]

No, in fact, I think it is more accurate than just going by "city-proper".  I don't think of Pittsburgh as one city with 300,000 people, I think of it as an area with 2.5 million.

Despite the fact that the outer fringes of the area are absolutely nothing like inner Pittsburgh?

If city limits were divided like that then Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, etc. would all be different cities.  Different interests, building styles, and industries shouldn't mean it's not all one city.  If anything, it makes it MORE urban.

If you don't want people to think you live in a suburb, refer to your location as "Downtown Minneapolis" or something so people get a vision of skyscrapers in their head.

[Flying Dog]

Oh yeah, keeps me up at night all the time.

[Boris]

The City of London is tiny.

Doesn't the term "City of London" just refer to the London CBD and not the actual London city limits?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, in fact, I think it is more accurate than just going by "city-proper".  I don't think of Pittsburgh as one city with 300,000 people, I think of it as an area with 2.5 million.

Despite the fact that the outer fringes of the area are absolutely nothing like inner Pittsburgh?

If city limits were divided like that then Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, etc. would all be different cities.  Different interests, building styles, and industries shouldn't mean it's not all one city.  If anything, it makes it MORE urban.

If you don't want people to think you live in a suburb, refer to your location as "Downtown Minneapolis" or something so people get a vision of skyscrapers in their head.

I don't live in Downtown Minneapolis, I live near Uptown Minneapolis.

[Sbane]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

What about the Bay Area? Is it three cities? Or more?

It is like three metro areas in one.  San Francisco-San Rafael-Redwood City; San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara-Cupertino; Oakland-Alameda... I guess Concord and Walnut Creek can go with Oakland, too.

Oakland and San Jose metro areas are suburbs of a San Francisco metro area.  Totally ed up stuff.

The BART is the only thing in common and to San Jose even that is just recent.

I guess it is 3 different metros but in reality there is no stop in urbanization anywhere along the bay. Even all the inland areas have been built up and now the bay area is encroaching upon the central valley. But like I said it is easy for us because when anybody asks me where I am from I say bay area and not Pleasanton or SF or Oakland.

The Census Bureau actually defines it as two metro areas: SF-Oakland and San Jose-Santa Clara. Really stupid.

Yeah the same bureau that defines the whole bay area as the San Jose bay area instead of SF just because it has a higher population. They are just good for numbers and nothing else.

[Keystone Phil]

Actually, yes. A city's population is what is within the city limits. That's it.

[King]

Actually, yes. A city's population is what is within the city limits. That's it.

Values BRTD and Keystone Phil share (UPDATED 6/25/08):

(1) Vern Troyer hitting Mike Myers in the balls isn't funny
(2) City populations should only include people who live within the city limits

[Хahar 🤔]

The City of London is tiny.

Doesn't the term "City of London" just refer to the London CBD and not the actual London city limits?

Quite right.

[cannonia]

Not annoyed at all.  All the Sacramento suburbs are just Sacramento suburbs; there's not much to them individually.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The City of London is tiny.

Doesn't the term "City of London" just refer to the London CBD and not the actual London city limits?

Quite right.

It's actually the boundaries of the old Mediaeval city (although not quite; they changed things slightly a few years ago as the boundary of the City was actually running through buildings and so on...). The old LCC area is better for working out where the main city ends and the suburbs begin, but isn't perfect.

[afleitch]

No.

I'll say it again - suburbs are part of the city because they look to the city for work, for entertainment and services. They provide the city with money and should help pay for the financing of the city. Casting out the suburbs, or having them sit beyond the city boundary for political reasons, does not change the fact that they 'look' to the city. What it does change is that they will continue to use the cities infrastructure, it's roads, its public transport, throw litter on the streets that the city has to pay to pick up etc...but not contribute to the city financially (at least directly through taxation)

As most of you know I live just outside a city which in nearly every other set up I should be living in. As a result you have the poorest city in Scotland surrounded by towns and suburbs from Bearsden, to Bothwell to Newton Mearns that are amongst the nations richest.

The Glasgow Metropolitan area has around 1.25 to 1.5 million inhabitants depending on definition. The city proper has just 600,000

[AndrewTX]

I am. I live in the NYC metro area, but I don't live in the city. I mean, it's just.. eraaghhh! IT' MAKES ME SO ANGRY! I've been sucker punching everyone in a fit of anger, and as they lay bleeding on the ground, I yell at them "YOU DONT LIVE IN THE CITY! DO YOU?! I DIDN'T THINK SO BITCH!"

[ilikeverin]

No.  You really need to get out of the state (or even outstate) more, BRTD; no one knows the suburbs of a city outside the metro area.  It might be made more confusing in my case because just about every state in the union has a "Plymouth"

What's especially amusing in some people's faces is the confusion when I say I'm from "a suburb of Minneapolis".  "Minnesota has cities big enough to have suburbs...?!?".