Are you annoyed by lumping entire metro areas in with the central city?

[King]

I hit yes, but meant no.  Those suburban residents probably still use most of the cities services and identify themselves with the major city they surround rather than "Greenlake Hills Community" or whatever.

[King]

I hit yes, but meant no.  Those suburban residents probably still use most of the cities services and identify themselves with the major city they surround rather than "Greenlake Hills Community" or whatever.

People from Eden Prairie would never say they are from Minneapolis. Most would probably be offended at the idea they're from Minneapolis actually.

Exception to the rule.

[King]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

Also, I think in Los Angeles there are actually "suburbs" that are surrounded by LA on all sides (Inglewood?) so they are kind of "in the city limits" though they are incorporated.

[King]

I'm somewhat annoyed by being lumped with Seattle, if only because we're a metro area by virtue of sprawl connection only.

Dallas-Fort Worth; Seattle-Tacoma and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably yes answers to this question.  There really is no suburb.  It's just two cities.

What about the Bay Area? Is it three cities? Or more?

It is like three metro areas in one.  San Francisco-San Rafael-Redwood City; San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara-Cupertino; Oakland-Alameda... I guess Concord and Walnut Creek can go with Oakland, too.

Oakland and San Jose metro areas are suburbs of a San Francisco metro area.  Totally ed up stuff.

The BART is the only thing in common and to San Jose even that is just recent.

[King]

No, in fact, I think it is more accurate than just going by "city-proper".  I don't think of Pittsburgh as one city with 300,000 people, I think of it as an area with 2.5 million.

Despite the fact that the outer fringes of the area are absolutely nothing like inner Pittsburgh?

If city limits were divided like that then Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, etc. would all be different cities.  Different interests, building styles, and industries shouldn't mean it's not all one city.  If anything, it makes it MORE urban.

If you don't want people to think you live in a suburb, refer to your location as "Downtown Minneapolis" or something so people get a vision of skyscrapers in their head.

[King]

Actually, yes. A city's population is what is within the city limits. That's it.

Values BRTD and Keystone Phil share (UPDATED 6/25/08):

(1) Vern Troyer hitting Mike Myers in the balls isn't funny
(2) City populations should only include people who live within the city limits