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« on: June 27, 2008, 08:01:40 pm »
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He served under Hoover from 1929 to 1933 and was approximately 3/8ths Native American and 5/8ths White. He's only a little whiter than Obama, who is almost universally considered the first major party minority candidate. Yet I never really hear about Curtis at all, much less that he was the first minority VP.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2008, 12:37:16 am »
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Nobody cares because the Natives already got their "reparations" with casinos.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 03:03:18 pm »
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Fom what I see, he looks like your average white person.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2008, 12:02:12 pm »
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I've seen far lower estimates of Charles Curtis' (technical) indian ancestry. Although it doesn't really matter - he (well, his mother and the grandparents who brought him up for a short time, although that website linked at the Wiki pretends it was pretty much his entire youth - not so) is certainly a member of the "half-breed" (who needn't technically be halfbreed), catholic, semi-assimilated population that totally dominated these nations' politics (though didn't necessarily constitute a majority, certainly not among the Osage) at the time. As such, at a pinch I would say yes to the question.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2008, 12:17:36 pm »
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I've seen far lower estimates of Charles Curtis' (technical) indian ancestry.

http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-curtis

The claim that Curtis was 3/8th Indian rests on the following calculation:
His father's white. His mother's mother was Indian, though mixed tribe (well duh, these nations were smallish and not endogamous, at least not their well connected chiefly castes). His mother's father was mixed-blood.

This ignores the fact that his mother's father was basically a white man (French Indian trader) with some slight indian ancestry, and the same *seems to* go for his mother's mother's father - it's his mother's mother's mother who was fullblooded Indian. That makes him some unspecifiable bit above 1/8th Indian.
And is probably not untypical for the actual pedigree of White people that like to talk up their partly Indian ancestry. (Or Black people, for that matter.)
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2008, 03:34:48 pm »
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If you look 'white'(relatively pale and mostly caucasian looking) you're white in my book. We need to desist with lumping white people in with nonwhites just because they had a great grandfather who wasn't pure.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2008, 03:50:50 pm »
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it sounds as if he was completely culturally white so...
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2008, 03:56:39 pm »
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Nobody cares because the Natives already got their "reparations" with casinos.

Well, they haven't sent me my cut yet.

Actually, under the laws at the time, he would have been "classified" as Amerindian.

Coolidge was part Amerindian.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2008, 04:56:06 pm »
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Just like Warren Harding was the first African-American President Wink.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2008, 02:44:52 pm »
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Actually, under the laws at the time, he would have been "classified" as Amerindian.
I don't think that term existed already, but whatever.

He was an enrolled member of the Kansa Nation.
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