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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2008, 05:19:37 AM »

Certainly not - they are soft-headed, not cold-hearted.
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2008, 08:59:24 AM »

Not cold hearted. But for some you wonder about the actual presence of a brain. Not all of course, but a few of them, you wonder if they have a brain.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2008, 09:05:16 AM »

That's because of hard-core materialism at the heart of American culture, something conservatives o/c want conserving.
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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2008, 11:51:06 AM »

I'd rather be cold hearted than some loving, friendly socialist sissy.

Yeah, sissy sh**t like being friendly and loving might make women attracted to you. Who the hell would ever act like that?

Actually I'm considered too nice by many women, thus making them want bad boys.

For settling down and having a family, they'll seek out someone nice and responsible who would do well to help raise the children. Unreformed jackasses need not apply (on purpose).

Actually whether you're nice or not isn't as important as whether or not you're self-sufficient and realistic.
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2008, 12:20:27 PM »

I'd rather be cold hearted than some loving, friendly socialist sissy.

Yeah, sissy sh**t like being friendly and loving might make women attracted to you. Who the hell would ever act like that?

Actually I'm considered too nice by many women, thus making them want bad boys.

For settling down and having a family, they'll seek out someone nice and responsible who would do well to help raise the children. Unreformed jackasses need not apply (on purpose).

Actually whether you're nice or not isn't as important as whether or not you're self-sufficient and realistic.

I'm realistic alright.
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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2008, 12:31:42 PM »

Conservatism to me is something that is inherently and completely founded upon optimism. There's absolutely nothing less cold-hearted than the avowed belief that an individual can do anything. Absolutely nothing.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2008, 02:20:27 PM »

Naso why do you ask questions like this?  90% of conservatives think liberals are pansies, and 90% of liberals think conservatives are cold-hearted
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2008, 03:42:15 PM »

Naso why do you ask questions like this?  90% of conservatives think liberals are pansies, and 90% of liberals think conservatives are cold-hearted

And both assumptions are to a certain extent true, wouldn't you say?
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2008, 04:14:48 PM »

Naso why do you ask questions like this?  90% of conservatives think liberals are pansies, and 90% of liberals think conservatives are cold-hearted

And both assumptions are to a certain extent true, wouldn't you say?
I consider myself part of that 90% Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2008, 04:17:33 PM »

It's just a symptom of their ideology.
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2008, 04:47:20 PM »

Not so much "cold-hearted" as stupid and piggish.
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2008, 04:58:04 PM »

Mike, this is the question of the ages. Can only those who offer a hand-out be warm-hearted? The answer is no.

One does not need to be cold-hearted to be a conservative (or warm-hearted to be a progressive), but sometimes it appears as if that is a prerequisite for joining the Conservative Crusade. It all depends on what one does with their life.

Some conservatives can come across as "cold hearted" because they are ruthless profiteers of wealth, Napoleon's of Wall Street. These Conservatives really do appear cold-hearted, as they let nothing stand in their way of achieving the almighty dollar. I remind you, wealth should never be the measuring stick of success.

I, a conservative, am going into public school teaching, thus public service. Mike, you are joining the military, public service as well. Other conservatives I know are becoming nurses, pro bono attorneys, preachers and even one I know is using her degree in management to revive a failing church in her small community. These pursuits are not "cold-hearted" at all.

In the end, it all depends on what you want: to be a person who serves the people, or one who takes advantage of them. Progressives like George Soros take advantage of people for the almighty dollar, thus he is as cold-hearted as any conservative. In the end we must be warm-hearted through offering the doctrine of self-help. Rather than use the poor and indigent to make money, conservatives need to become public servants (or even private servants as philanthropic businessmen, doctors or lawyers) and offer a helping hand and a chance for everyone to achieve the American dream.

In short, anyone, no matter what their political leaning are, can be warm-hearted, it all depends on how we use our life. Is it helping, or hurting, your fellow man?   
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2008, 05:26:20 PM »

Mike, this is the question of the ages. Can only those who offer a hand-out be warm-hearted? The answer is no.

One does not need to be cold-hearted to be a conservative (or warm-hearted to be a progressive), but sometimes it appears as if that is a prerequisite for joining the Conservative Crusade. It all depends on what one does with their life.

Some conservatives can come across as "cold hearted" because they are ruthless profiteers of wealth, Napoleon's of Wall Street. These Conservatives really do appear cold-hearted, as they let nothing stand in their way of achieving the almighty dollar. I remind you, wealth should never be the measuring stick of success.

I, a conservative, am going into public school teaching, thus public service. Mike, you are joining the military, public service as well. Other conservatives I know are becoming nurses, pro bono attorneys, preachers and even one I know is using her degree in management to revive a failing church in her small community. These pursuits are not "cold-hearted" at all.

In the end, it all depends on what you want: to be a person who serves the people, or one who takes advantage of them. Progressives like George Soros take advantage of people for the almighty dollar, thus he is as cold-hearted as any conservative. In the end we must be warm-hearted through offering the doctrine of self-help. Rather than use the poor and indigent to make money, conservatives need to become public servants (or even private servants as philanthropic businessmen, doctors or lawyers) and offer a helping hand and a chance for everyone to achieve the American dream.

In short, anyone, no matter what their political leaning are, can be warm-hearted, it all depends on how we use our life. Is it helping, or hurting, your fellow man?   

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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2008, 10:19:23 PM »

I don't think it's the idea of individuals.

My personal view of anyone who is driven by ideology is that they need their head examined. Circumstance should dictate your decisions, not what some navel-gazer wrote in a book.

A policeman, solider, doctor, nurse etc etc can be a 'conservative', but they are still engaged in a system which helps people en masse.

The social conservative perspective is one of the hardest to understand - the willful ignorance to every single scrap of evidence - people are animals, people are diverse.
The socio-economic Darwinism of social reactionaries, not conservatives. True economic conservatism is about restraint on all fronts, you spend only what you earn, you do not reduce income, while outgoings increase. All economic measures, including tax cuts are conditional on CIRCUMSTANCE.

To many, conservatism equates to fear. I see much of American 'conservatism' based about people who want to see the world as they feel it should be, not how it actually is.
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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2008, 11:36:23 PM »

To be impartial, I think social liberals have equally as hard a time realising that the reality of the world is that people just aren't as tolerant as they want.
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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2008, 11:44:29 PM »


All right, bud.
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« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2008, 12:25:10 AM »

To be impartial, I think social liberals have equally as hard a time realising that the reality of the world is that people just aren't as tolerant as they want.

The single biggest distinction I draw is as a 'liberal', I believe in giving people choice in how they live their lives, and I respect those differences, and expect to be respected in return.

Whereas it seems that that brand of American conservatism is about shaping society to be how their belief structure (political or religious) says it should be. With very little place, and respect for difference.

I know that there are a lot of intollerant 'liberals' but that's not how I approach things. You debate the merit of your argument.
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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 01:32:36 AM »

It's been my experience that Conservative idealism is right for all the wrong reasons (cold-blooded MONEY IS BETTER THAN HAPPINESS ideology that is really sensible policy) while Liberalism is wrong for all the right reasons (good intents with WE HELP THE PEOPLE SUCCEED idealism, but the government is run with efficiency of a fat kid who is short of breathe after walking to the ice cream truck on the corner)
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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2008, 07:51:54 AM »

To many, conservatism equates to fear. I see much of American 'conservatism' based about people who want to see the world as they feel it should be, not how it actually is.
You say that like only "conservatism" is guilty of it.
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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2008, 08:47:28 AM »

To many, conservatism equates to fear. I see much of American 'conservatism' based about people who want to see the world as they feel it should be, not how it actually is.
You say that like only "conservatism" is guilty of it.

You missed that I tried to clarify that point.
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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2008, 08:52:41 AM »


My personal view of anyone who is driven by ideology is that they need their head examined.
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« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2008, 08:59:12 AM »

To many, conservatism equates to fear. I see much of American 'conservatism' based about people who want to see the world as they feel it should be, not how it actually is.
You say that like only "conservatism" is guilty of it.

You missed that I tried to clarify that point.
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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2008, 09:20:27 AM »

It's been my experience that Conservative idealism is right for all the wrong reasons (cold-blooded MONEY IS BETTER THAN HAPPINESS ideology that is really sensible policy) while Liberalism is wrong for all the right reasons (good intents with WE HELP THE PEOPLE SUCCEED idealism, but the government is run with efficiency of a fat kid who is short of breathe after walking to the ice cream truck on the corner)

When it comes to the role of government, for me, it's not so much whether it's 'big' or 'small', it's whether or not it's effective. For example, more effective regulation of the sub-prime mortgage market could well of averted the 'credit crisis'

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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2008, 10:58:27 AM »

The subprime crisis is the definition of what happens when you gut regulations.
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