libertarianism is self-refuting

[dead0man]

look at it this way, they claim to be all about being against initiating force against other people but yet favor things which allow corporations/other non-governmental groups to be able to initiate as much force as they want against the population without any restrictions.  

What are some ways companies use force against the population?

[dead0man]

look at it this way, they claim to be all about being against initiating force against other people but yet favor things which allow corporations/other non-governmental groups to be able to initiate as much force as they want against the population without any restrictions.  

What are some ways companies use force against the population?

The State does it: 

If this is the best answer I get I won't be surprised.

[dead0man]

What the funk does that mean?  Again, what are some ways companies use force against the population?  Soft or hard?

[dead0man]

Right, the only time companies have any power over the population is when the state allows it (or forces it).  As normal, the free'r the market, the better.

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Certainly corporations and individuals, when not prevented from doing so by government, can be just as tyrranical as government can.

Of course.  That should be one of the govts few duties, keeping us protected from each other.  How do you think libertarians plan on protecting our Freedoms, everybody having a bigger gun than his neighbor?  I thought only ignorant people thought that of libertarians.

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No, it's a flaw in how libertarian logic is percieved.

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I don't think a libertarian has ever assumed every libertarian is the same.  Hell, it's the probably one of the biggest things holding us down right now.  It's the non-libertarians that are always trying to paint us all the same shade of yellow (and it's never the shade of yellow most libertarians agree with, it's always the brightest, most anoying yellow.).

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There's also the matter of cartels.

Cartels would also be economically inefficient in a free society, because any cartel artificially raising prices will be subject to non-cartel competition able to make profits by selling that good at a lower price.

You are aware of the fact that in a free market those cartels can drive any competition that refuses to join out of business, right? It's especially easy for start ups. Since you're overcharging and making lots of money most of the time, cartel members would have extra money to spare in case of emergency. If you get a start-up trying to compete, just lower the price of your goods temporarily to a price lower than the new guy could possibly offer and wait until he goes under from lack of business. You've got the extra money and you can outlast him. Once he's gone raise prices again. It's really that simple.

What if Bill Gates gets into your market?