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Question: Will the invasion of Iraq, and its resulting failure, cause the American public to become more isolationist, similar to the way it was following WWI?
Yes   -12 (54.5%)
No   -10 (45.5%)
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« on: July 13, 2008, 12:14:02 am »
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 12:21:32 am »
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Yes and its for America's own sake. If the rest of the world can't behave, f*** em'. Let's take care of our own backyard. This is not too say that we should not be involved with the world and should not be active partners in ensuring its well being.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 12:58:18 am »
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     Yes, though I accidentally voted no.  After Iraq, we are coming to the realization that it is not our obligation to police the world. That combined with the poor execution of the war will make Americans less willing to get involved in volatile situations for some time.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 01:12:19 am »
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Yes, more so out of necessity than morality. America will become desperate economically and will not be able to afford an expansionist interventionist foreign policy. But looking at WWI, the isolationism ended in merely 20 years and was followed by 5 decades of America in a state of war.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2008, 12:07:43 pm »
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Yes, more so out of necessity than morality. America will become desperate economically and will not be able to afford an expansionist interventionist foreign policy. But looking at WWI, the isolationism ended in merely 20 years and was followed by 5 decades of America in a state of war.

But during those 20 years, we nearly let the entire European continent go to hell.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2008, 12:38:22 pm »
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I seriously doubt it. We lost far more people and suffered much greater humiliation over Vietnam than we have or ever will have in Iraq. Yet within 12 years we were more belligerent than ever. Special Interests (aka the Military-Industrial complex) and the post-war 'crusader' mentality on the Left and Right will prevent any real change barring some sort of catastrophe. Just look at the current Presidential race for proof.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2008, 02:13:50 pm »
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Yes, as we have seen.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2008, 02:28:25 pm »
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Probably not. The imperatives of an interconnected world are just too compelling. But free lancing  off the cuff will be out.
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Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 13, 2008, 02:13:50 pm
Yes, as we have seen.
It initially got more isolationist but the polls last time I checked are pretty evenly divided. In any case it's irrelevant because what the people want and what Washington does are entirely different.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2008, 07:16:49 pm »
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Unfortunetely yes because a majority of the US people of this country are very pissed off about the Iraq war and now most people are going to say "no" to any upcoming war.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2008, 07:29:39 pm »
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Possibly. I don't think Iraq is a big enough conflict to change so many peoples' minds. Definitely I think many will balk at the prospect of more wars, given how the government has handled Iraq and Afghanistan.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2008, 08:36:29 pm »
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Unfortunetely yes because a majority of the US people of this country are very pissed off about the Iraq war and now most people are going to say "no" to any upcoming war.

Unfortunately?

War is a bad thing.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 08:40:56 pm »
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But but Israel is our ally Xahar. Who cares if the war is justified if it involves killing arabs because of Israel's extreme paranoia it's automatically as justified as WWII.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 08:51:41 pm »
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Quote from: nationalist-isolationist-social liberal on July 13, 2008, 08:40:56 pm
But but Israel is our ally Xahar. Who cares if the war is justified if it involves killing arabs because of Israel's extreme paranoia it's automatically as justified as WWII.

How's this?
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2008, 08:54:13 pm »
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If that's greater Syria then it's a freedom fighting map... well at least a non-evil map. If it's greater Israel... well we'd need to load the B-52s up and go to town.
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Quote from: nationalist-isolationist-social liberal on July 13, 2008, 08:54:13 pm
If that's greater Syria then it's a freedom fighting map... well at least a non-evil map. If it's greater Israel... well we'd need to load the B-52s up and go to town.

Yup, it's greater Israel.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 08:58:48 pm »
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Load up the B-52s with nukes then. Israel is a nuclear power and we can't take chances.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 09:06:32 pm »
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You can live with Syria reuniting itself?
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2008, 09:08:11 pm »
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Quote from: nationalist-isolationist-social liberal on July 13, 2008, 09:06:32 pm
You can live with Syria reuniting itself?

Nope, just realized what happened in the map.
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Quote from: The Mikado on March 18, 2011, 11:12:39 pm
Obama High's debate team:

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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2008, 09:09:54 pm »
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Darn. I was hoping you were going to atone for being zionist.
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Quote from: nationalist-isolationist-social liberal on July 13, 2008, 09:09:54 pm
Darn. I was hoping you were going to atone for being zionist.

No; never gonna happen.
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2008, 09:12:43 pm »
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How unfortunate. -_- Sad
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"348. The rest of the party appreciates it if I don't start the game in Cyberpsychosis."
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2008, 09:14:02 pm »
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What'd he say? He deleted his post.
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2008, 06:50:15 am »
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yes, but not nearly to the degree it was after WWI.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2008, 08:01:15 pm »
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Depends on who the next president is and where Iraq is after we withdrawl from it. I mean, we could even be MORE gung-ho if Americans take their stupid pills and make Bush look like a saint. Then again, it's too soon to tell.
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