what if there was no pearl harbour

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In my humble opinion even if Pearl Harbor had never been attacked World War 2 would have still had Major U.S. Involvement (we were already well involved with Lend-Lease). Roosevelt was looking to get us into the war to help boost the economy. Roosevelt knew the attack was coming and chose to ignore intelligence that warned him about it 24 hours in advance. My proof of that are two examples : Both US Carriers were sent out on manuevers and a radar station picked up the Japanese fighters 3-4 hours before the attack and the high command dismissed it even though the experts said the radar wasnt lying. That tells you that FDR knew an attack was coming but I give him credit that sending the carriers out saved us and also the Japanese made a fatal mistake in not destroying the fuel tanks that were at Pearl Harbor. Our two biggest mistakes were not forming an alliance with China when they offered it to us after the Second World War. I still cant believe Truman rejected him. And not immediately driving the Soviets out of Eastern Europe. Just my thoughts.

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I agree with you sir. But I believe the Chinese Communists extended their hand to us and Trumans rejected it. As for the prolonging WW2 I agree it probably would have been unrealistic. But it would have probably given a good change to history. Just a what if.

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I agree, and I believe Communist China outstreched the hand for an alliance either in late 45 or early 46. Yes nukes would have definately added another problem for either side, although I believe Russia didnt detonate their first nuke till 1949? Correct?

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Who's to say the Axis powers even cared about invading the U.S. before we came in the war? The evidence is minimal of any plans for a pre-war invasion. It wasnt very feasible for either the Germans or Japanese

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I don't think the reason for the Middle East being anti-American was your involvement in WWII. And a Cold War against Germany could very well have occured. And condemning, among others, 5 million Jews to death would have been bad, imo.

The reason for the Middle East being so messed up has its roots in British Colonialism and the break-up of the Ottoman Empire after World War 1. The allies of WW1 didn't know when to leave well enough alone and did a lot of damage to national pride and helped inflame World War 2. Yes, I do blame the French and the British for inflaming World War 2, more so the French for meddling in the Rhineland and the way they treated German citizens and destroyed the German economy between the wars. Iraq fought against the British in the very early part of World War two but were quickly taken over. Many of the wars and conflicts of the 20th Century can be attributed to the Colonialism of the French and British in the mid to late 19th Century. Examples would be Vietnam, Palestinian Mandate, Egypt, other parts of S.E. Asia, Africa. Often the British and French just ditched their colonies and left them with barely anything that resembled a stable government. In my opinion neither side was really in the "right" during World War 1. I believe Austria was defending itself after the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand and Austrias' allies jumped in to support them.

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Why does everyone forget about all the people Hitler killed that WEREN'T Jewish. I dont mean to minimalize their deaths but non-Jews are always overlooked. And if you want to talk about who killed more Stalin was much much much worse then Hitler. Stalin made Hitler look like a rookie in regards to murder. About 90% of Germans never came back from Soviet prison camps, and about 90% of Soviet prisoners came HOME from German prison camps.

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Might be but its also known that that Nazis were not as harsh with certain POWs as they were with civilians. The Japanese had the worst treatment of POWs. You should hear the stories I've heard from a person I know who lived in the Phillipines during the occupation of Japan. Disgusting.

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The next debate would be "How much of the holocaust did the German people ACTUALLY know about?" Now that's a can of worms in itself.

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This guy I used to work with say Japanese soldiers tossing babies in the air and catching them with their bayonets.

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I dont know the exact number of gypsies killed but it was in the tens of thousands.

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It didn't take Hitler or Stalin very much to kill you, I mean looking at either one the wrong way would get you eliminated.

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We should have continued to war and moved on to Russia just for the fact of Stalin.

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He was a good man.

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What about Theodore Roosevelt? He would be a close second.

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FDR, lol no way.

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Whats wrong with Charlie?