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daniel27
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« on: February 18, 2004, 12:52:59 PM »

Nevada has now 5 Electoral Votes. Can Kerry win Nevada with one or two days in Las Vegas and Nevada?
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2004, 12:54:50 PM »

No.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2004, 12:56:01 PM »

Nevada has now 5 Electoral Votes. Can Kerry win Nevada with one or two days in Las Vegas and Nevada?

I think Bush can use McCain to great effect in all those places in the upper and lower SW. The answer to your question, though, is no.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2004, 01:19:01 PM »

Nevada has now 5 Electoral Votes. Can Kerry win Nevada with one or two days in Las Vegas and Nevada?

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2004, 01:25:07 PM »

I think it would take more than 1 or 2 days but I certainly think Nevada could be in play.  Keep in mind, Las Vegas is the fasting growing (in terms of population) city in America.  This means its electoral base is the most rapidly evolving.  This puts it in play.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2004, 01:28:22 PM »

I think it would take more than 1 or 2 days but I certainly think Nevada could be in play.  Keep in mind, Las Vegas is the fasting growing (in terms of population) city in America.  This means its electoral base is the most rapidly evolving.  This puts it in play.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2004, 01:29:47 PM »

He can, but it leans Bush.  People there are mad about Yucca Mountain.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2004, 01:30:50 PM »

I think Nevada is still fairly solid Republican territory, but it's not definite. There has been a rather high percentage of Mexican immigrants to the Las Vegas area and that helps the Democrats. The rest of the newcomers tend to be made up of relocated Northeasterners (slightly more Democratic) and disgusted Californians (slightly more Republican).

I say Nevada is about 90% likely to go Republican.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2004, 01:32:04 PM »

He can, but it leans Bush.  People there are mad about Yucca Mountain.

That's amazing.  I certainly wouldn't mind it being in Missouri, and Nevada is even bigger and emptier than my state - which I can confirm is pretty darn empty.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2004, 01:32:10 PM »

DarthKosh,

Wow, you must have posted the thing about California while I was typing...you're right.

But Miamiu1027 is also right...the Yucca Mountain thing is a big issue out there and it hurts us a little.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2004, 01:32:28 PM »

Thanks for ur message. Nevada isn`t so important .....but i think it can by a big surprise in 2004.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2004, 01:33:03 PM »

DarthKosh,

Wow, you must have posted the thing about California while I was typing...you're right.

But Miamiu1027 is also right...the Yucca Mountain thing is a big issue out there and it hurts us a little.

Yucca has faded and will have little impact.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2004, 01:33:29 PM »

Opebo,

Yeah, I find it amazing too, but it's true. Then again, I'm all in favor of building nuclear power plants all over the country, so I guess I'm in the minority in this area.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2004, 01:34:27 PM »

Opebo,

Yeah, I find it amazing too, but it's true. Then again, I'm all in favor of building nuclear power plants all over the country, so I guess I'm in the minority in this area.

Their cleaner then most other power plants.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2004, 01:38:38 PM »

Darth,

Yes, they are cleaner. And they would decrease our dependence on foreign oil, and also help drive the country back in the direction it was headed before the era of knee jerk environmentalism. Fusion will one day change the world if we have the courage and will to take that path.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2004, 01:39:18 PM »

Darth,

Yes, they are cleaner. And they would decrease our dependence on foreign oil, and also help drive the country back in the direction it was headed before the era of knee jerk environmentalism. Fusion will one day change the world if we have the courage and will to take that path.

Cold Fusion.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2004, 01:42:38 PM »

Yes, cold fusion.
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2004, 01:43:30 PM »

I think it would take more than 1 or 2 days but I certainly think Nevada could be in play.  Keep in mind, Las Vegas is the fasting growing (in terms of population) city in America.  This means its electoral base is the most rapidly evolving.  This puts it in play.

Republican fleeing california.
Not really.  The population growth in Las Vegas is fueled by 3 major sources.

1) Hispanic immigration.  This group is up for grabs.  Both Democrats and Republicans are trying to win Hispanic voters.  In 2000 Gore did better with them than Bush.  Also, if Bill Richardson is Kerry's VP this could help bring in the Hispanic vote.

2) Military, primarily Air Force.  Over the last several years the government (both the Clinton & Bush administrations) have been consolidating military bases.  Several California bases were consolidated into Nevada (I forget the name of the base right outside of Vegas).  It is worth noting that most officers typically vote Republican and enlisted men/women are split (50/50).  Kerry's military record may serve to sway some of these voters to his side.

3) Unemployed folks from all over America.  Many people move to Vegas to get jobs at the casinos simply because they cannot find jobs anywhere else.  For them, Vegas is a land of opportunity.  I doubt that the recently unemployed will look favorably on the present administration.

Nevada could be in play.  Clark county (which Vegas is in) went for Gore in 2000 by 26,000 votes in 2000.  Throw in Yuca, NV's expanding pop, Kerry's military record, and the possibility of Richardson as VP and I'd argue that the Dems could make Nevada a battleground.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2004, 01:44:57 PM »

I think it would take more than 1 or 2 days but I certainly think Nevada could be in play.  Keep in mind, Las Vegas is the fasting growing (in terms of population) city in America.  This means its electoral base is the most rapidly evolving.  This puts it in play.

Republican fleeing california.
Not really.  The population growth in Las Vegas is fueled by 3 major sources.

1) Hispanic immigration.  This group is up for grabs.  Both Democrats and Republicans are trying to win Hispanic voters.  In 2000 Gore did better with them than Bush.  Also, if Bill Richardson is Kerry's VP this could help bring in the Hispanic vote.

2) Military, primarily Air Force.  Over the last several years the government (both the Clinton & Bush administrations) have been consolidating military bases.  Several California bases were consolidated into Nevada (I forget the name of the base right outside of Vegas).  It is worth noting that most officers typically vote Republican and enlisted men/women are split (50/50).  Kerry's military record may serve to sway some of these voters to his side.

3) Unemployed folks from all over America.  Many people move to Vegas to get jobs at the casinos simply because they cannot find jobs anywhere else.  For them, Vegas is a land of opportunity.  I doubt that the recently unemployed will look favorably on the present administration.

Nevada could be in play.  Clark county (which Vegas is in) went for Gore in 2000 by 26,000 votes in 2000.  Throw in Yuca, NV's expanding pop, Kerry's military record, and the possibility of Richardson as VP and I'd argue that the Dems could make Nevada a battleground.

Kerry's actions after the war will hurt him.  Jus because you may have a hispanic on the ticket does not mean you automaticly win Nevada.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2004, 01:49:12 PM »

I think the GOP is barking up the wrong tree by trying to attack Kerry's protesting the Vietnam war.  History has more or less written that Vietnam was a mistake.  A vet asking the government to bring home his fellow soldiers isn't contraversial.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2004, 01:51:03 PM »

I think both the Kerry campaign and the Bush camapign should drop the crap about what happened 30 years ago.  It was Kerry's right to protest Vietnam; leave it alone.  And, the Dems aren't going to help themeselves with the national guard crap.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2004, 01:52:33 PM »

Wakie,

You say unemployed people from all over the country...yes...but as I said, the largest group of those people are from California or the Rust Belt.

And as for your theory that current military personnel will vote for Kerry because he was a veteran...well...it's painfully obvious to me that you haven't spent much time around current military personnel. There are few Democrats....even fewer since 9/11...and the base in Las Vegas is Nellis Air Force Base and the Air Force is even more Republican than the other branches.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2004, 01:54:36 PM »

Wakie,

Kerry did WAYYYYYY more than ask to bring home his fellow soldiers. Go read his testimony before the US Senate in 1971...
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2004, 01:56:43 PM »

Darth,

Yes, they are cleaner. And they would decrease our dependence on foreign oil, and also help drive the country back in the direction it was headed before the era of knee jerk environmentalism. Fusion will one day change the world if we have the courage and will to take that path.

Cold Fusion.

If we can make it work...from what I've heard about fusion it seems a little too goos to be true...if I lived in a country thretened by terrorism I don't know if I'd want to put up nuclear power plants just anywhere, but I agree that they're better than most other options. The nuclear situation in Sweden is really weird, but that's a diffeent discussion... Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2004, 01:58:15 PM »
« Edited: February 18, 2004, 02:08:51 PM by DarthKosh »

Darth,

Yes, they are cleaner. And they would decrease our dependence on foreign oil, and also help drive the country back in the direction it was headed before the era of knee jerk environmentalism. Fusion will one day change the world if we have the courage and will to take that path.

Cold Fusion.

If we can make it work...from what I've heard about fusion it seems a little too goos to be true...if I lived in a country thretened by terrorism I don't know if I'd want to put up nuclear power plants just anywhere, but I agree that they're better than most other options. The nuclear situation in Sweden is really weird, but that's a diffeent discussion... Smiley

It's damn near impossible to blow up a nuclear plant.
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