Germany Election Maps

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Berlin's election department has West vs. East results.

East
SPD 31.2
Linke 30.4
CDU 13.4
Greenies 11
FDP 4.9
etc

West
SPD 36.1
CDU 32.2
Greenies 14.1
FDP 8.6
Linke 4.2
etc

[minionofmidas]

Wow, telling apart that Left seat in Rostock is pretty hard.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

NRW 2005

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I'm not too familiar with NRW. I assume the very red area is part of the Ruhr?

[Verily]

Interesting pattern on FDP support there. What's the intensely CDU area in the east with little FDP presence?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm not too familiar with NRW. I assume the very red area is part of the Ruhr?

Yep. It's the area between Duisburg and Hamm.

What's the intensely CDU area in the east with little FDP presence?

The Sauerland and the area around Paderborn. Don't know much about it, other than that it's rural and catholic (and has trees). IIRC Lewis has family ties to the area, so he might know more.

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I assume the next NRW election is next year?

Any idea on how Linke will do?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I assume the next NRW election is next year?

It'll be in 2010 unless they've changed the length of terms.

[Хahar 🤔]

WA is that left-wing party, correct?

[minionofmidas]

Interesting pattern on FDP support there.

That's just a pattern of money. If you want an FDP pattern in West Germany that isn't the exact antithesis of interesting, may I suggest you look at wine-growing areas of Rhineland-Pfalz.

WA is that left-wing party, correct?

Mid-short answer: "WA" is newspeak (hey, Al is Ingsoc, right?) for WASG, which is what the PDS merged with to form the Left.

Short answer: Yes.

I'm not too familiar with NRW. I assume the very red area is part of the Ruhr?

Yep. It's the area between Duisburg and Hamm.

What's the intensely CDU area in the east with little FDP presence?

The Sauerland and the area around Paderborn. Don't know much about it, other than that it's rural and catholic (and has trees). IIRC Lewis has family ties to the area, so he might know more.

The darkest bits are mostly around Paderborn and Höxter, not in the Sauerland (which  is further south, and extends westward to the edges of the Ruhr area. Which is the part of it that my dad's from.)
Yeah, old non-poor Catholic enclave, Paderborn. Not too unlike Fulda, then.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Mid-short answer: "WA" is newspeak (hey, Al is Ingsoc, right?)

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Doh. I do hope that that isn't similar to, say, confusing southern Shropshire with northern Herefordshire...

[minionofmidas]

Mid-short answer: "WA" is newspeak (hey, Al is Ingsoc, right?)

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Doh. I do hope that that isn't similar to, say, confusing southern Shropshire with northern Herefordshire...

Eh, there's some just as dark bits in the Sauerland (a working definition of which would be the Hochsauerland, Soest, Olpe, and rural and/or southern parts of the Märkischer districts. I suppose one might want to exclude the northern fringe of Soest, but...). Which is almost as Catholic, but (historically) a poor upland smallholding region. Paderborn counts as part of East Westphalia, a well-defined region despite its awkward name, although, as it were: quintessential East Westphalia is further north, and Protestant. The Sauerland is more likely to look to Dortmund as a sort of metropolis-outside-the-region-proper.
The Paderborn region used to be its own prince-bishopric, while the Sauerland was mostly a Cologne possession, with some small states at its western fringe.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Mid-short answer: "WA" is newspeak (hey, Al is Ingsoc, right?)

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Doh. I do hope that that isn't similar to, say, confusing southern Shropshire with northern Herefordshire...

Eh, there's some just as dark bits in the Sauerland (a working definition of which would be the Hochsauerland, Soest, Olpe, and rural and/or southern parts of the Märkischer districts. I suppose one might want to exclude the northern fringe of Soest, but...). Which is almost as Catholic, but (historically) a poor upland smallholding region. Paderborn counts as part of East Westphalia, a well-defined region despite its awkward name, although, as it were: quintessential East Westphalia is further north, and Protestant. The Sauerland is more likely to look to Dortmund as a sort of metropolis-outside-the-region-proper.
The Paderborn region used to be its own prince-bishopric, while the Sauerland was mostly a Cologne possession, with some small states at its western fringe.

Is the Sauerland (overall) somewhat less CDU than Paderborn because it's slightly less Catholic or because of the other differences [qm]

[minionofmidas]

Meh, who knows. Higher prot rates should figure in Soest and the Mark. Then again, the Mark's the most industrialized part as well (very old industry mostly. Of course, same goes for Arnsberg.) And I don't really know enough about Paderborn.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

[Хahar 🤔]

That's interesting. Thuringia and Saxony were once havens for the USPD and KPD.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Note: pink seat in the centre of Leipzig is SPD, the one NE of that is PDS.

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Could you do a NPD map for Saxony?

[Хahar 🤔]

My comments on Thuringia stand. Brandenburg is still left-wing, though.

And I second the NPD request.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Note that in the 2005 election the combined SPD-Left-Green vote was over 50% in both Saxony and Thuringia (actually it might have been just over 60% in the latter). Voting patterns in the East are much looser than in the West and are often strongly influenced by personalities and so on.
Regardless, the main reason for Saxony remaining such a Left (SPD especially) stronghold (in terms of elections, if not state governments) throughout the Weimar period was the strength of the party organisation and related organisations and subcultures. What was left of this that survived the Nazi State was totally destroyed by the Stasi State.

[Хahar 🤔]

Note that in the 2005 election the combined SPD-Left-Green vote was over 50% in both Saxony and Thuringia (actually it might have been just over 60% in the latter). Voting patterns in the East are much looser than in the West and are often strongly influenced by personalities and so on.
Regardless, the main reason for Saxony remaining such a Left (SPD especially) stronghold (in terms of elections, if not state governments) throughout the Weimar period was the strength of the party organisation and related organisations and subcultures. What was left of this that survived the Nazi State was totally destroyed by the Stasi State.

But the Stasi was unable to put a strong SED organization in its place?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Note that in the 2005 election the combined SPD-Left-Green vote was over 50% in both Saxony and Thuringia (actually it might have been just over 60% in the latter). Voting patterns in the East are much looser than in the West and are often strongly influenced by personalities and so on.
Regardless, the main reason for Saxony remaining such a Left (SPD especially) stronghold (in terms of elections, if not state governments) throughout the Weimar period was the strength of the party organisation and related organisations and subcultures. What was left of this that survived the Nazi State was totally destroyed by the Stasi State.

But the Stasi was unable to put a strong SED organization in its place?

Not sure what you mean here. The SED was not a political party in the way that modern parties are, let alone the parties of the '20's and early '30's. Political parties in totalitarian states are not exactly geared around winning elections or becoming part of the local culture.

[minionofmidas]

Note that in the 2005 election the combined SPD-Left-Green vote was over 50% in both Saxony and Thuringia (actually it might have been just over 60% in the latter). Voting patterns in the East are much looser than in the West and are often strongly influenced by personalities and so on.
Regardless, the main reason for Saxony remaining such a Left (SPD especially) stronghold (in terms of elections, if not state governments) throughout the Weimar period was the strength of the party organisation and related organisations and subcultures. What was left of this that survived the Nazi State was totally destroyed by the Stasi State.

But the Stasi was unable to put a strong SED organization in its place?

Not sure what you mean here. The SED was not a political party in the way that modern parties are, let alone the parties of the '20's and early '30's. Political parties in totalitarian states are not exactly geared around winning elections

Why not, one wonders?

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Actually, if they take themselves too seriously, they frequently are. As was the case with the SED, up to a point.

But Saxony's Social Democratic tradition (a grandfathered '48er tradition, really) was built around general opposition to everything, not around socialist ideology. Small wonder they didn't take to the SED either.

[Filuwaúrdjan]