Italy Election Maps

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

the right was more fragmented than the right

Really? That must have been quite a feat.

Indeed it was.

[Keystone Phil]

Red = Left

Though frankly, the left won in all regions because the right was more fragmented than the left. FI polled 20%, the fascists polled 11.5%, DC junior won 5.9%, and the Northern Fascists won 5.0% etc. The Olive Tree polled 31%.

I figured but the right didn't win anywhere? Wow.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Red = Left

Though frankly, the left won in all regions because the right was more fragmented than the left. FI polled 20%, the fascists polled 11.5%, DC junior won 5.9%, and the Northern Fascists won 5.0% etc. The Olive Tree polled 31%.

I figured but the right didn't win anywhere? Wow.

IIRC, the Northern Fascists prevented them to win in the north, the Fascists prevented them to win anything in the Lazio area, and the DC junior gang prevented them to win Sicily etc.

[Cubby]

That 1946 referendum map was interesting. I know the South was much more rural and backward than the north (no offense Phil), is that the reason they supported the monarchy or was there another reason?

And why was Basilicata one of the only regions in the South to support Veltroni's party this year?

[Keystone Phil]

That 1946 referendum map was interesting. I know the South was much more rural and backward than the north (no offense Phil), is that the reason they supported the monarchy or was there another reason?

Actually, that is the reason, in my opinion.

And why was Basilicata one of the only regions in the South to support Veltroni's party this year?

It's a traditonally leftist stronghold.

[Verily]

That 1946 referendum map was interesting. I know the South was much more rural and backward than the north (no offense Phil), is that the reason they supported the monarchy or was there another reason?

Could go into a really detailed socio-political analysis stretching back to ancient Rome; southern Italy is quite interesting that way. But, yes, you have the gist of it, although the rural factor is not nearly as powerful as the anti-cooperative factor. Some areas of the north which voted in favor are also quite rural. And hatred of the northerners, whom the southerners suspected would dominate a republic. That, too.

[The Mikado]

Could go into a really detailed socio-political analysis stretching back to ancient Rome; southern Italy is quite interesting that way.

Times I know I have issues: when the phrase "really detailed socio-political analysis stretching back to ancient Rome," sounds tantalizing and intriguing.

[Cubby]

And why was Basilicata one of the only regions in the South to support Veltroni's party this year?

It's a traditonally leftist stronghold.

Thats strange by American standards. Usually the poor, very rural areas are extremely Republican. Except for say, Alabama's black belt and the MS delta (which isn't really a delta).

There's a great book about Basilicata (then named Luciana) called Christ Stopped at Eboli. It was written in 1936 by an author who was banished there by Mussolini for speaking out against the Ethiopian War. I read the first 50 pages but haven't finished it yet.

[Cubby]

That 1946 referendum map was interesting. I know the South was much more rural and backward than the north (no offense Phil), is that the reason they supported the monarchy or was there another reason?

Could go into a really detailed socio-political analysis stretching back to ancient Rome; southern Italy is quite interesting that way.

As Lord Koko says, that does sound interesting. You could give us the short version

[Keystone Phil]

Thats strange by American standards. Usually the poor, very rural areas are extremely Republican. Except for say, Alabama's black belt and the MS delta (which isn't really a delta).

Well, the poor around the world typically identify with leftist policies. They're socially conservative but just don't vote that way.

[Roma Caput Mundi]

Wow,nice thread.Most of the maps I'd never seen before.Unfortunately I can't really use internet for now,so my support to the discussion will be limited,but,in regard to the European Election,now there are going to be either 5 or a few more constituences in place of the old 3.Also,the MPA has nothing to do with indipendence and Lega Nord really.It's just a mafia-style party,a sort of south-based DC.Only now have they started complaining about Garibaldi with their leader,Sicily's governor,who has said he will remove anything remembering Garibaldi as a hero.But,I repeat,they are just a southern-based modern DC.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

That 1946 referendum map was interesting. I know the South was much more rural and backward than the north (no offense Phil), is that the reason they supported the monarchy or was there another reason?

Correct. I recall reading somewhere that educated people supported the Republic.

in regard to the European Election,now there are going to be either 5 or a few more constituences in place of the old 3.

There are already five constituencies, and, IIRC, have been in use for quite some time.

The bottom line is that these EU constituencies are horrible.

[Keystone Phil]

Only now have they started complaining about Garibaldi with their leader,Sicily's governor,who has said he will remove anything remembering Garibaldi as a hero.But,I repeat,they are just a southern-based modern DC.

The Sicilian Governor really wants to remove anything memorializing Garibaldi? Disgusting. Good luck with that one.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Only now have they started complaining about Garibaldi with their leader,Sicily's governor,who has said he will remove anything remembering Garibaldi as a hero.But,I repeat,they are just a southern-based modern DC.

The Sicilian Governor really wants to remove anything memorializing Garibaldi? Disgusting. Good luck with that one.

Isn't he also with the mafia or something, IIRC?

[Keystone Phil]

Only now have they started complaining about Garibaldi with their leader,Sicily's governor,who has said he will remove anything remembering Garibaldi as a hero.But,I repeat,they are just a southern-based modern DC.

The Sicilian Governor really wants to remove anything memorializing Garibaldi? Disgusting. Good luck with that one.

Isn't he also with the mafia or something, IIRC?

The Sicilian Governor? I don't know. I think Berlusconi was all about him and the guy is from a right wing party so he was fine with me... 

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Only now have they started complaining about Garibaldi with their leader,Sicily's governor,who has said he will remove anything remembering Garibaldi as a hero.But,I repeat,they are just a southern-based modern DC.

The Sicilian Governor really wants to remove anything memorializing Garibaldi? Disgusting. Good luck with that one.

Isn't he also with the mafia or something, IIRC?

The Sicilian Governor? I don't know. I think Berlusconi was all about him and the guy is from a right wing party so he was fine with me... 

Despite his nickname being the Southern Umberto Bossi? (though, frankly, he's much less dangerous and his MPA is a joke party).

BTW, anybody have requests for any maps?

[Keystone Phil]

Despite his nickname being the Southern Umberto Bossi? (though, frankly, he's much less dangerous and his MPA is a joke party).

Well, I didn't know about him being all about autonomy.

BTW, anybody have requests for any maps?

Whatever else you have. 

[??????????]

Lol do those Germans wanna join Austria or something? and what about that little yellow corner in the northwest. are they French or something?

The major party in the South Tyrol province of Trentino-Alto Adige is the Südtiroler Volkspartei. The SVP doesn't really want to join Austria IIRC. There is a smaller party, the Union for South Tyrol, that is nationalist.

Vallee d'Aoste is a Francophone minority region where the two biggest parties are local French parties (one more conservative, the other more liberal). National parties aren't strong in South Tyrol and Aoste.

It's Austrias' rightful territory anyhow.

[Verily]

Could go into a really detailed socio-political analysis stretching back to ancient Rome; southern Italy is quite interesting that way.

Times I know I have issues: when the phrase "really detailed socio-political analysis stretching back to ancient Rome," sounds tantalizing and intriguing.

I shouldn't have even mentioned it, now I'll spend a few hours trying to put things together. Basically has to do with southern Italy's somewhat unique political history as a perpetual backwater combined with its strong historical connections to Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. In really vague terms, southern Italy had never been ruled by anything but autocrats until the Italian republic was declared, which had strongly diluted any sense of community in the region (not just regionally, but at the town level as well). There were brief flowerings of communality at times, such as the short-lived Republic of Amalfi, but by and large such things passed the area by.

While your average person might question the government's motives, for example, and try to fix them if corrupt, the southern Italian assumes the government is corrupt and goes about trying to get as big of a cut from that corruption as possible. There are other places in the world like this, but southern Italy is most studied.

[Roma Caput Mundi]

That 1946 referendum map was interesting. I know the South was much more rural and backward than the north (no offense Phil), is that the reason they supported the monarchy or was there another reason?

Correct. I recall reading somewhere that educated people supported the Republic.

in regard to the European Election,now there are going to be either 5 or a few more constituences in place of the old 3.

There are already five constituencies, and, IIRC, have been in use for quite some time.

The bottom line is that these EU constituencies are horrible.

Right now I think it's north,center,south and islands.They will change that.
Anyway,Lombardo isn't right wing,he's a tipically southern centrist politician.
In the south anyway,and especially in Sicily,anything ranging from PdL(especially former FI)to UdC and at times old Daisy members is connected to mafia.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

The 5 constituencies are North-West, North-East, Central, Southern, and Islands.

They should get a national constituency will a 5 or 3% threshold for seats, like France had before we got this awful system.

[Ethelberth]

They have a national threshold (about 2%). Then they choose the constituency they like to represent.

[Keystone Phil]

BTW, anybody have requests for any maps?

I was reading through this thread and wanted to take you up on this half year old favor. 

Any information on the 1983 General election?

Some good news and bad news for you, Phil

Eh. I'm confused though. In the Senate elections here, the PdL candidate (a guy from Philadelphia actually named Berardi) won.

I figured I could correct this - Berardi is actually a Deputy, not a Senator but I'm pretty sure that North America has a PdL Senator, too. Berardi hosts this really ritzy Carnevale event for his Italian American PAC every year. I was reading about it in our political newspaper. Berardi brought some Senator as his guest. I ended up researching the guy and he was definitely part of the PdL slate in 2008.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

BTW, anybody have requests for any maps?

I was reading through this thread and wanted to take you up on this half year old favor. 

Any information on the 1983 General election?

Here is the 1983 election for the Deputies by province. Quite an interesting map.



Standard key: DC blue, PCI red.

Any specific reason for your interest in 1983?

[Keystone Phil]

Any specific reason for your interest in 1983?

Trying to find out which horrible areas helped Craxi become Italy's second longest Prime Minister.