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« on: September 04, 2004, 11:47:00 AM »

He has apparently stopped the bleeding and is holding at only 4 pts down for three straight days.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2004, 11:48:06 AM »

Only one third of that poll was taken after Bush's speech.

I predict Bush +6 with Rasmussen when all voters have been surveyed after speech.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2004, 11:53:29 AM »

Down 6 is a lot more winnable than down 11.  I'd say 5 or 6 is more like where the election is now.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2004, 12:00:30 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2004, 12:01:08 PM by The Vorlon »

Maybe.. or maybe not...

Here is a graph of the "one day" results from Rasmussen.

He has gone to a 1000 person daily sample, so these one days are pretty useful now as the "noise" is alot less.

Bush has won the last 3 days by:

Sept 1st - Bush + 4.5%
Sept 2nd - Bush + 2.4%
Sept 3rd - Bush + 6.2%

Possibility #1

The lead is about 4% and the last two days is just a bit of "random noise" around the 4% center point

Possibility #2

Zell scared the Sh*t out of a lot of moderates and independants, but that Bush brought them back with his own address to the convention.



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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2004, 12:02:44 PM »

I still don't understand why the movement in Rasmussen is always just a few points one way or the other.  Never much fluctuation.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2004, 12:06:43 PM »

Maybe.. or maybe not...

Here is a graph of the "one day" results from Rasmussen.

He has gone to a 1000 person daily sample, so these one days are pretty useful now as the "noise" is alot less.

Bush has won the last 3 days by:

Sept 1st - Bush + 4.5%
Sept 2nd - Bush + 2.4%
Sept 3rd - Bush + 6.2%

Possibility #1

The lead is about 4% and the last two days is just a bit of "random noise" around the 4% center point

Possibility #2

Zell scared the Sh*t out of a lot of moderates and independants, but that Bush brought them back with his own address to the convention.






How do you get the one day data, I don't see it on his site?  Is this a Premium Member service?
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2004, 12:12:01 PM »


How do you get the one day data, I don't see it on his site?  Is this a Premium Member service?


I just calculate it directly.  I have to use changes in his congression ballot to "guestimate" the party ID in each day's sample for weighting purposes, so I might be a few tenths of a percent out on any given day, but the values I have posted are VERY close.

Just another service of you friendly neighborhood spidermanVorlon Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2004, 03:47:37 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2004, 06:19:18 PM by The Vorlon »

I still don't understand why the movement in Rasmussen is always just a few points one way or the other.  Never much fluctuation.

Rasmussen does a hard weight by party id.

This damps out changes.

In a "likely" voter poll, people are usually asked questions about how "excited" they are about the candidate, how much attention they are paying to the race, etc.

Right after the Dem convention, many democrats were more "energized" and hence a greater % of Dems were deemed "likely" - hence the % of dems in the sample went up.

Right after the GOP convention, the opposite happens.

This makes the result bounce around a bit more as the ratio of Dems to GOPers changes

If you have bad sample design and don't do callbacks etc, the problem gets much worse (CBS, LA Times, etc)  

Folks who actually know how to poll (Gallup) ensure that their samples do not get skewed by these factors, which is why Gallup changed so little the last few weeks.

Rasmussen essentially runs three polls at once - one for Indys, One for GOPers, and a third for Dems. he then combines the three polls into one big poll by weighting

Dems ALWAYS count for 39% of Rasmussens poll
GOPers ALWAYS count for 35% of his poll
Indys ALWAYS count for 26% of his poll

so if he gets. say 42% dems in a poll, we weights them down by only counting the Dem results as 39% of his poll

Many polls do not do this "hard weight"

Doing this is a bit controversial actually.

Do we really "know" that the ratio of Dems/Reps.Indys is 39/35/26...?

In 1994 a lot of polls weighed congressional races something like +5 to the Dem side, but on election day the ratio was actually +2 to the GOP side - hence a lot of polls utterly missed the GOP tidal wave of 1994

To the degree that Rasmussen's +4 Dem weight is accurate, his poll will be too.

To the degree he is wrong, his poll will have a structural flaw.

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2004, 03:50:09 PM »

Thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2004, 06:13:31 PM »

Down 6 is a lot more winnable than down 11.  I'd say 5 or 6 is more like where the election is now.

I'd say a fairly solid 4% plus maybe another 3 or 4 of "froth" that will settle out pretty quick.
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