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269-269
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Is this scenario possible?
Another 269-269 scenario is more likely than this one
3 (13.6%)
yes
8 (36.4%)
yes, but not likely
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no
1 (4.5%)
no 269-269 scenario will likely happen
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Topic: 269-269 (Read 4623 times)
Buddha
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269-269
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August 04, 2008, 07:33:45 am »
Don't pay too much attention to the relative lightness darkness, just whether a state is red or blue.
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 07:35:10 am »
I think it almost inevitable that Obama would win if it goes to the house and his running mate would be chosen by the Senate.
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 07:39:38 am »
Quote from: MacFarlan on August 04, 2008, 07:35:10 am
I think it almost inevitable that Obama would win if it goes to the house and his
running mate
vice president
would be chosen by the Senate.
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 11:05:05 am »
Who do you see as winning the popular vote in this scenario?
Here's a kicker of a thought -- let's say McCain wins the popular vote with an electoral vote tie. How loud do you think the screaming will be if the House selects Obama? Or ... might a compromise be met with the House breaking the tie in McCain's favor with the Senate naming as VP the Democrat VP candidate, or maybe Obama?
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Rococo4
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 11:12:13 am »
def. the most probable tie scenario in IMO
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 11:22:32 am »
Quote from: MatthewZD on August 04, 2008, 11:05:05 am
Who do you see as winning the popular vote in this scenario?
Here's a kicker of a thought -- let's say McCain wins the popular vote with an electoral vote tie. How loud do you think the screaming will be if the House selects Obama? Or ... might a compromise be met with the House breaking the tie in McCain's favor with the Senate naming as VP the Democrat VP candidate, or maybe Obama?
The Senate would not be able to elect Obama as VP. The candidates from whom they are permitted to choose are solely the top 2 finishers in the EV--most likely, McCain & Obama's running mates. Unless this deal was worked out by early December and more than half of the Obama electors decided to vote for Obama as VP instead (which would not happen), the choice would solely be between the two running-mates.
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 08:49:58 pm »
Damn....if this DOES happen and McCain is elected in the House, that would cause a sh**t load of problems in the Democratic Caucus.
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Verily
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 10:55:38 pm »
Switch Nevada, New Hampshire and Colorado for a mildly more likely 269-269, I think.
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Re: 269-269
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August 04, 2008, 11:52:02 pm »
Quote from: Verily on August 04, 2008, 10:55:38 pm
Switch Nevada, New Hampshire and Colorado for a mildly more likely 269-269, I think.
That's about right. Basically, what Obama has now, but McCain stuffs him in New Hampshire.
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Re: 269-269
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August 05, 2008, 07:29:31 am »
Will there be as many tie scenarios in 2012?
An interesting question to ponder.
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Re: 269-269
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August 05, 2008, 11:30:40 am »
Tie: Non-Contiguous Blue
Tie: East v West
Tie: North v South
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Re: 269-269
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August 05, 2008, 01:51:47 pm »
Senate Democrats are so ineffective and Senate Republicans so crafty that I'm almost certain Obama would end up with a VP from the GOP.
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Re: 269-269
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August 06, 2008, 12:37:04 am »
Quote from: MatthewZD on August 04, 2008, 11:05:05 am
Who do you see as winning the popular vote in this scenario?
Here's a kicker of a thought -- let's say McCain wins the popular vote with an electoral vote tie. How loud do you think the screaming will be if the House selects Obama? Or ... might a compromise be met with the House breaking the tie in McCain's favor with the Senate naming as VP the Democrat VP candidate, or maybe Obama?
How many people wanted to kick Katherine Harris' ass?
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Re: 269-269
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August 06, 2008, 09:15:20 am »
two more ties:
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Re: 269-269
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or how about this one:
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or.....how about ??
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Re: 269-269
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or!
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Re: 269-269
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Reply #17 on:
August 29, 2008, 05:37:55 am »
An interesting one is this one:
Sure, Michigan should be Dem in the end. But I wanted one scenario with a Dem Virginia.
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August 30, 2008, 11:40:40 pm »
I've only come up with one realistic tie in this election:
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Re: 269-269
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Quote from: J. J. on August 30, 2008, 11:40:40 pm
I've only come up with one realistic tie in this election:
that seems like the most likely tie that could happen.
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Re: 269-269
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Quote from: J. J. on August 30, 2008, 11:40:40 pm
I've only come up with one realistic tie in this election:
This one is plausible, but not as likely as your scenario.
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Re: 269-269
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Reply #21 on:
August 31, 2008, 02:56:18 pm »
I think the 269-269 is far more probable than most people would care to admit.
MacFarlan's maps are interesting, but I just don't see how Michigan can go GOP. Or Wisconsin, really, when you get right down to nuts and bolts and the ground strength Obama has there.
If I were in Vegas and able to set odds to draw action, I'd make it about 12 to 1 against it happening. In reality, I'd say it's about 25 or 30 to 1 against.
More likely, I think, is a clear winner. Maybe even by a larger margin than we expect, like Reagan over Carter in 1980. For now, I would say that person is more likely to be Obama, though that could change.
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Re: 269-269
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Quote from: Ernest on August 31, 2008, 12:58:17 pm
Quote from: J. J. on August 30, 2008, 11:40:40 pm
I've only come up with one realistic tie in this election:
This one is plausible, but not as likely as your scenario.
If it had been Romney on the ticket, possibly, but I still NH would have gone McCain.
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Re: 269-269
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Quote from: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 09:39:21 pm
Quote from: Ernest on August 31, 2008, 12:58:17 pm
Quote from: J. J. on August 30, 2008, 11:40:40 pm
I've only come up with one realistic tie in this election:
This one is plausible, but not as likely as your scenario.
If it had been Romney on the ticket, possibly, but I still NH would have gone McCain.
....I will go with JJ's map. The next question is which pop vote would most likely create the map.
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Re: 269-269
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I think Nevada going Democratic is more likely than New Hampshire going Republican, so the original scenario is the most likely.
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