Regional Protection Party

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I was about to suggest you join the NCP, but this works, too.

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What do you win? This is a damn computer simulation. We can just set up a loyal Southeastern government.

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What do you win? This is a damn computer simulation. We can just set up a loyal Southeastern government.

And what constitutional authority would the Atlasian government have to do that? Unless unionists currently in the Southeast join Columbia and Columbia subsequently ratifies the Atlasian constitution. In that case, we will have succeeed in ridding those willing to stay in the Dirty South of Atlasian intervention. We will be able to make our own laws just like the Atlasian government makes their laws.

Since secession is illegal, the Southeastern government becomes illegal the moment it approves secession. Power then passes normally to John Dibble.

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The UAC disavows all ties with the new secessionist party and would like to remind said party that the UAC favors legal, multilateral dissolution of the federal government, not unilateral secession.

There is nothing in the Atlasian Constitution prohibition secession, and all powers not given to the Atlasian government are given to the people. Thus, the secession is legal.

Stop being a damn broken record. Colin's sufficiently debunked your argument.

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At your service:

OFFICIAL STATEMENT
7 Aug 2008, The White House

The President continues to monitor the situation in the Southeast and its impending secession vote.  It has been and remains the position of the White House that it is of the highest priority that our union be preserved.

Even if the union is not consentual? Any contract that prohibits one party from exiting that contract is a slave contract. Do you wish to be the president of slaves?

The union was never consentual. The regions were created out of thin air after the creation of the federal government, by the federal government, and enshrined in the first constitution. This is not the United States, the regions did not come together to form a nation, the federal structure formed first and then bequethed the regions as defined sub-national entities. There was no consentual compact since they were created by fiat of the Federal Government and the first Constitutional Convention and did not exist prior to the existance of this Federal Government.

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Since I have already pointed out the constitutional

There are none. StatesRights v. Atlasia already dismisses the idea that regions have the power to nullify legislation and that they must submit to the legislation enacted by the Senate as long as it's constitutional. If the regional seats are done away with through normal constitutional amendment procedure and the South then nullifies that law and seceeds they are going against a previous Supreme Court ruling. Unlike the United States, you cannot make the argument that the Supreme Court does not hold the power of judicial review, since this stems from the judicial powers given to it in Article III of the Constitution including the power to nullify and void legislation.

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What the hell does this mean? Most of the people in the Southeast aren't even Southerners in real life but play Southerners, a land of Northerners who like to affix a drawl and long for the day when some romanticized version of the South will rise again. The Southeast, as a completely artificial creation, has no more history than the beginnings of this nation.

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There are no moral reasons. This is a game and you are acting like me when I used to play Monopoly when I was little. If I was going bankrupt I would always try to kick and scream until I got my way. The Southeast is attempting to do the same now, extorting the federal government and the citizens of the other regions so that something they don't like isn't enacted. That's about as moral as 8 year old me's tantrums over the rent on Park Place.

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The Supreme Court ruling Sam Spade v. Porce concluded that executive power is only limited by the Constitution itself. As long as the President does not actively violate the Constitution he can do whatever he likes, in essence. There is no stated set of powers for the executive but it is stated that he has them. Therefore the Senate concluded that the Presidential powers are not limited by anything more than the Constitutional limits set on all actions and legislation. As the Constitution does not explicitly state that regions have the right to secession than, under the Sam Spade v. Porce ruling, he has the power to stop secession, if he so chooses.

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According to Wikipedia's law entry for treason, the legal definition for treason is:
"...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

We have no intent to overthrow the government of Atlasia, we just would like to leave it on our own terms, a victimless crime. We have no intent to make war against the government of Atlasia, we have sought peace. We also have no intention of injuring the nation, as we hope that Atlasian life continues on even when we are our own republic. Also, even if we were to assume that the secessionists we doing any of thse things, it still would not constitute treason, as the Southeast is a regional government, not a foreign government.[/quote]

It will constitute treason if the President attempts to, under the powers that he was shown to have under the ruling Sam Spade v. Porce and as Commander-in-Chief of Atlasia, subdue the secession and you attempt to resist. I would say resisting the orders of the President to cease what you are currently doing would constitute treason in Atlasia since we are not a physical entity we cannot take up physical arms against the government but only either pretend to do so, through RPing, or by acting refusing to acknowledge the orders of that government. You of course aren't looking at the relevant text at all, when was the last time Atlasian law was determined by Wikipedia for Christ's sake, you need to look at the afformentioned Consolidated Criminal Justice Act.

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How about the small minority in Nyman that wishes to abolish regional senate elections?[/quote]

If it is such a small number, as you suggest, why the theatrics? If it is such a small number it is unlikely to get pass the Senate and even more unlikely to pass in the required number of regions. If it is such a small minority why bother this nation with your antics and just let the normal democratic course play out?

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You can do that by voting against the amendment. It's within every citizens rights, and indeed duty, to take a stand on the subject and vote accordingly and then to either live with the result of those votes or attempt to change them through democratic means.

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Because I'll bet you about 6 people will vote in this upcoming election. You, DWTL, PiT, Duke, Brandon, and somebody else, maybe Bacon King. The four of you will vote for it with probably two or three against. The motion will pass with roughly 4 out of the 22 or so Southeast residents. That definitely sounds like both a minority and an infringement upon the rights of the 18 or so people who don't want to seceed and what to remain a part of Atlasia.

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Joke secessions by one person, one of them ended it quickly and moved to the Mideast. The other is Andy Jackson. Neither of which has been supported by either myself, the President, or anyone in government.

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There is no Atlasian Union there is the Atlasian state. In reality we are a singular entity that, back in 2004, we decided to carve up into 5 arbitrary regions in order to simulate states. Atlasia has been a country of faux-federalism, unlike a normal federal republic where the states were independent entities prior to federation, in Atlasia the regions did not exist until the after the federal government and were only create and codified in the first constitution, which was a federal entity.
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I personally like Regional Protection Party because I regret never joining the Ron Paul Party.  I could also go for something a bit more out there, perhaps Regions Ending Get Insane Crazy Idiots Dumbasses Excited (REGICIDE)

That made no sense.

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     Also, we could find non-game related issues to emphasize as well, like the death penalty or abortion. It will be hard to find issues though, because of the amount of variance in the beliefs of the party members.

Variance? At this point, the party is uniformly right-libertarian.

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Ah! So someone else is using my format!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_colors

Pick a color.

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Which shade of yellow?

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Which shade of yellow?

     The ones that the Atlas uses.

No. That's too boring. Pick a fancy shade. Or at least specify the percentage.

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He means what yellow colour you want the RPP to use on the Wiki.

Yes, exactly.

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He means what yellow colour you want the RPP to use on the Wiki.

Yes, exactly.

Unrelated, but I saw that you changed the DC colour to the Wikipedia colour for the real-DC.

Did I? I didn't mean to.

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He means what yellow colour you want the RPP to use on the Wiki.

Yes, exactly.

Unrelated, but I saw that you changed the DC colour to the Wikipedia colour for the real-DC.

Did I? I didn't mean to.

Both ways, I don't mind. The DC is dead and will probably never be resurrected. I won't come back to my old parties, methinks.

Why make so many, then?

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He means what yellow colour you want the RPP to use on the Wiki.

Yes, exactly.

Unrelated, but I saw that you changed the DC colour to the Wikipedia colour for the real-DC.

Did I? I didn't mean to.

Both ways, I don't mind. The DC is dead and will probably never be resurrected. I won't come back to my old parties, methinks.

Why make so many, then?

Fun.

Like your avatars?

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He means what yellow colour you want the RPP to use on the Wiki.

Yes, exactly.

Unrelated, but I saw that you changed the DC colour to the Wikipedia colour for the real-DC.

Did I? I didn't mean to.

Both ways, I don't mind. The DC is dead and will probably never be resurrected. I won't come back to my old parties, methinks.

Why make so many, then?

Fun.

Like your avatars?

I rarely change them anymore, you might've noticed.

     I'm thinking of donning an R-UK avatar. I've never seen one around here & I'm half-British anyway.

I'll put on a G-FR or I-FR avatar when I go to France next week.

     There, I changed my avatar.

No! The shape of California is way better.

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     The infobox for the party isn't showing up correctly. I've checked the revisions (I could have sworn that it worked with the first version), but I don't see what the problem is with it.

A lot of things. Not experienced with Wikipedia, I assume?

I'll fix it.

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Time to get a name change.

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Time to get a name change.

     How come?

The name annoys me.

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Time to get a name change.

     How come?

The name annoys me.

How about the Conservative Reform Alliance Party?

To be soon renamed the Atlasian Reform Conservative Alliance?

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Time to get a name change.

     How come?

The name annoys me.

How about the Conservative Reform Alliance Party?

To be soon renamed the Atlasian Reform Conservative Alliance?

     When we hold our convention, we'll discuss a name change.

When'll that be?

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     DWTL is the interim chairman. I'm the interim vice-chairman.

LOL.

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What's he done? All of nothing, I think.

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The RPP will be coming out with a big announcement following the election

STAY TUNED

*stays tuned*

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Tell Duke to stop buying date rape drugs long enough to open the voting booth.

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Oh, this? Damn, you could've said that it was news I already knew.