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« on: August 09, 2008, 09:00:12 PM »

These guys.

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They seem to be really pragmatic centrists to me, unlike Ross Perot/Schwarzenegger-type centrists who are basically small government fiscal conservatives that are sane enough to not be libertarians.  What do you think of their ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 09:12:24 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2008, 09:14:36 PM by Reluctant Republican »

I’ve been following the Modern Whigs  a bit. They just hit 10000 members, the majority of them serving in the armed forces. I really am impressed by them. I don't agree with them on Immigration though, I think there should be other options then the military to allow Illegals an opportunity to gain citizenship. I also don’t know if I favor rendering any crime as a “hate crime”, but that is another minor issue. Finally, I’ll have to look into their Health Care plan more. But other then that, I think there a pretty good party, and I hope they can be viable one day nationwide. I believe there focusing all there attention on a State Representative race in 2010, but I don’t even know which state this is in. But in any case, I like that strategy. Better then to run mostly paper candidates that don’t have  a chance to get more then 3 or 4 percent.

And, on a side note, I’m starting to agree with you about Libertarians. Why I don’t have any problems with the likes of Barr, the radicals in the party scare the hell out of me. I actually think I’d favor socialism(!) over  some of there more “out there“ ideas.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 10:03:02 PM »

Well, the thing about Libertarians, even Ron Paul 'libertarians', is that they favor policies that require radical restructuring of American government as we know it.  On the other hand, there are economic conservative/social liberals such as Schwarzenegger out there, or perhaps Giuliani (other than every national security) who kind of fit the libertarian configuration without having necessarily the wacky ideology or policies of actual libertarians.  (I am guessing that's what Ross Perot's Reform Party was all about, though even today I don't understand if his ideology was leftist or rightist.)  All of this is rather "centrist", but I'd argue that it's still heading towards the libertarian config.

This Modern Whig Party, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have the same fetish for small government that Libertarians, libertarians, and people in the libertarianish configuration have.  They seem to stand for moderate, prudent, pragmatic actions, and I like that.  While I believe that big government can certainly be a bad thing, if adequate controls are put in place it needn't necessarily be.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 04:20:25 PM »

Since 1833?

I lost all respect for them at that sentence.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2008, 10:17:55 PM »

The party name itself conjurs up visions of men in powdered robes wearing those colorful nike's, good luck getting anywhere...
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 04:12:11 AM »

     I actually agree with them on most of the issues that are most important to me. Too bad they're not going anywhere. Sad
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 08:47:11 PM »

Shock to say this but if they ever did become a major party, I would join them. I think most of their views. Maybe they might take the GOP places?
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 10:10:36 PM »

Shock to say this but if they ever did become a major party, I would join them. I think most of their views. Maybe they might take the GOP places?
No. It would be shocking if you didn't join the party at one point or another.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 02:48:43 PM »

The policy on Israel is nonsensical.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 05:06:45 PM »


To you.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 05:27:37 PM »


No. I mean that it is self-contradictory.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 05:40:57 PM »
« Edited: August 12, 2008, 05:43:34 PM by AltWorlder »

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I think they're alluding to the fact that they don't like the current PA, or maybe the Hamas government.  In other words they would be in favor of a two-state solution but the Palestinian Arab state would be composed of people who do not exist in reality.  You probably want to check the actual Issues page on their website, not just the shorter blurb I quoted.

Am I the only one who thinks that their Iraq policy makes sense, and is probably a good coldly pragmatic solution?

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I think they're wildly overestimating Kirkuk's oil industry, though.  Not to mention the fact that the Kurds are engaged in (albeit nonviolent) ethnic cleansing.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 05:42:15 PM »

The Iraq policy is fine, but the Israeli policy makes me wonder how much they plan to fark it up.
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