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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2017, 10:40:02 am »
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Once PR becomes a state and add 5 electors when Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker again, this will be null and void because 265+5=270 and hopefully it will come in 2019
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2017, 11:26:45 am »
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They will continue to win the presidency.
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2017, 02:26:56 pm »

An interesting twist on this came up during a luncheon in colonial Williamsburg last week. The program had some very well versed reenactors who field questions after their presentation. One question was whether the Constitution was flawed if it allowed a president to win without the support of the majority of the voters.

"George Washington" gave a lengthy answer. In short he argued that each branch of the government had a fundamentally different way to be selected. The legislature was selected popularly, either directly in the case of the House, or indirectly by the popularly elected members of the state legislatures. The judiciary was selected for life by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate to Bea's far removed from popular vote as possible. The executive was selected by the states through electors that could not be their elected representatives to Congress. He thought it important that the direct public not have sway over more than one branch so that checks on power be maintained.
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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2017, 03:26:50 pm »
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This is the very reason why PR needs to become a state, so that this doesn't occur. Only way to happen is to make Pelosi Speaker and a divided Senate allows PR into statehood. 

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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2017, 10:11:50 pm »
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The main consequence would be that whenever the Democrats finally do win control back, it would basically be Reconstruction 2.0 in terms of how aggressive they would be in changing the existing electoral system and the federal courts and admitting new states that would be demographically favorable to them.
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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2017, 03:47:26 am »
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I don't think that's a likely scenario. Trump may win the 2020 election - and if he does, with a popular vote shortfall again - but in 2024 the Democrats will have enough support to bounce back. Keep in mind that the Democrats so far have won greater victories in the electoral college in the past 30 years. After 1988, they had four victories, and even the "smallest" win in the electoral college, Obama's 332 in 2012, outnumber Donald Trump's 306; so far the biggest Republican win.
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