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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2008, 08:59:54 pm »
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Wow, I thought we settled this at the Constitutional Convention. I say population, but I must say it is unfair.
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2008, 09:33:31 pm »
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You missed the constitutional discussion in my op then.  The union is made up of states, not people.  It is the states the choose the president.

 The Constitution does not start with  "we the states";  it starts "we the people". 
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2008, 10:54:39 pm »
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Interestingly Obama WOULD'VE won under this, he took 28 states + DC for 29/51.
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2008, 04:05:21 pm »
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I would support this system.
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2009, 12:09:11 am »
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ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!
Basically, this makes people in small states worth more than people in big states, and that's fallacious. It is ridiculous to give so much power to so little of the population. California and Alaska would be equal, even though California has 18 times more power than Alaska. People vote for the President, and they should, which brings me to the statement that the Electoral College should be abolished.
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2009, 12:50:38 am »
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If the president had less power like a head of a council of states rather than holding executive power I think this would work. But then the United States wouldn't be a true country but more of a collective association of countries like the EU.
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2009, 12:53:27 pm »
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Why should the tiny populations of Wyoming or Montana have as much of a say as New York and California? A state of about 500,000 should not get to choose the president with equal or anything close to equal power as  state of 19 million or more. In fact, the EV gives added influence to less populated states already. By setting the minimum at 3 per state, certain population ratios are already thrown off. How about more influence for population.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2009, 01:57:10 pm »
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NO! In fact, I am willing to go the opposite way and abolish the electoral college. With one state, one vote policy, a person in Wyoming is worth more than a person in California, and that is just not fair. The electoral college is already skewed because of the minimum of 3 electoral votes, which I believe has already been pointed out.
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2009, 03:37:19 pm »
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Excuse me, but it's a totally crazy and anachronistic proposal : In the 21th Century, U.S. would become the only democratic State who totally ignores people's will Huh
Founding fathers wanted to give an equal importance to each States, but also consider demographic data. To ignore that would be ridiculous.
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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2016, 12:00:22 am »
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If the president had less power like a head of a council of states rather than holding executive power I think this would work. But then the United States wouldn't be a true country but more of a collective association of countries like the EU.

Presidential power has far exceeded what the constitution deemed appropriate.  It is time to start giving power back to the states, as well as the congress.

Arguing in favor of a popular vote tally, is purely a big government, less states rights argument.  It is solely a position of the left.

The argument for each state getting one vote is the much stronger one based on constitutional history.   I don't think the founders envisioned a state like California getting 18 times the voting power of smaller states, particularly in choosing a chief executive with the power that it has today.

Sites like the Atlas, that list popular vote totals, but not state totals, perpetuate the myth that somehow state count is irrelevant.  It is not--it is just as important as popular vote in having any discussion of results.

Perhaps though, the compromise is to limit states to no more than 15 EV (10x the smallest state), but even that, in my mind misses the point that the country is a collection of states.   It is, after all the United STATES of America, not the United Peoples Republic of America.
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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2016, 09:51:10 am »
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If the president had less power like a head of a council of states rather than holding executive power I think this would work. But then the United States wouldn't be a true country but more of a collective association of countries like the EU.

Presidential power has far exceeded what the constitution deemed appropriate.  It is time to start giving power back to the states, as well as the congress.

Arguing in favor of a popular vote tally, is purely a big government, less states rights argument.  It is solely a position of the left.

The argument for each state getting one vote is the much stronger one based on constitutional history.   I don't think the founders envisioned a state like California getting 18 times the voting power of smaller states, particularly in choosing a chief executive with the power that it has today.

Sites like the Atlas, that list popular vote totals, but not state totals, perpetuate the myth that somehow state count is irrelevant.  It is not--it is just as important as popular vote in having any discussion of results.

Perhaps though, the compromise is to limit states to no more than 15 EV (10x the smallest state), but even that, in my mind misses the point that the country is a collection of states.   It is, after all the United STATES of America, not the United Peoples Republic of America.

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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2016, 11:02:08 am »
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I would only support this if there was a radical transfer of power back to states and cities within them.  In a world where the only federal laws were common currency/international trade, national defense, and civil rights protections, and otherwise we operated more like the European Union, this could work.
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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2016, 01:17:23 pm »
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Clearly it should just be based upon land area. We should admit Canada as the 51st state and let them decide all of our elections for us.

As long as Alberta gets left out.

But then it would be technically possible to win the election by winning every state except Canada.

Of course we can solve that by making Greenland part of Canada.
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2016, 06:28:27 pm »
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I don't like the idea that states represent people.  People like to talk about New York and California as a place where there are only democrats and Idaho and Oklahoma as places where there are only republicans, but every 4 years the people who support the opposing party in those states go out to vote.  Their votes never matter because their candidate loses in a landslide, but they vote anyway.  That is serious dedication, and it would be much better if our electoral system didn't implicitly disenfranchise those voters in every election.
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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2016, 09:33:49 pm »
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I don't like the idea that states represent people.  People like to talk about New York and California as a place where there are only democrats and Idaho and Oklahoma as places where there are only republicans, but every 4 years the people who support the opposing party in those states go out to vote.  Their votes never matter because their candidate loses in a landslide, but they vote anyway.  That is serious dedication, and it would be much better if our electoral system didn't implicitly disenfranchise those voters in every election.

That supports the one state = on vote argument.   States are really different entities, each with their own issues and problems. 
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« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2016, 04:41:03 pm »
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I don't like the idea that states represent people.  People like to talk about New York and California as a place where there are only democrats and Idaho and Oklahoma as places where there are only republicans, but every 4 years the people who support the opposing party in those states go out to vote.  Their votes never matter because their candidate loses in a landslide, but they vote anyway.  That is serious dedication, and it would be much better if our electoral system didn't implicitly disenfranchise those voters in every election.

That supports the one state = on vote argument.   States are really different entities, each with their own issues and problems. 
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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2016, 05:07:01 pm »
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I don't like the idea that states represent people.  People like to talk about New York and California as a place where there are only democrats and Idaho and Oklahoma as places where there are only republicans, but every 4 years the people who support the opposing party in those states go out to vote.  Their votes never matter because their candidate loses in a landslide, but they vote anyway.  That is serious dedication, and it would be much better if our electoral system didn't implicitly disenfranchise those voters in every election.

That supports the one state = on vote argument.   States are really different entities, each with their own issues and problems. 

How? How does that support that?
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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2016, 07:39:38 pm »
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This logic was used at lower levels of government and struck down in Reynolds vs. Sims. There were states that were allocating state senate seats as one per county. In California, Los Angeles County had one state senate seat, which was the same as the rural counties with incredibly small populations. Clearly, that gave sparsely populated areas an advantage just for being incorporated as opposed to being populated.

Under a one state-one vote rule, a partisan Congress could admit Palmyra Atoll, Baker Island and other uninhabited islands to the union, have a few people establish "residency" there and stack elections in their favor.
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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2016, 08:28:03 pm »
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I love how many people are perfectly content with the idea of rural voters mattering more than urban voters. Why can't a single vote count for the same, regardless of where it comes from?
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2016, 10:36:41 pm »
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I love how many people are perfectly content with the idea of rural voters mattering more than urban voters. Why can't a single vote count for the same, regardless of where it comes from?

Should votes on UN Resolutions be determined by worldwide popular vote?
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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2016, 11:06:29 pm »
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I love how many people are perfectly content with the idea of rural voters mattering more than urban voters. Why can't a single vote count for the same, regardless of where it comes from?

Should votes on UN Resolutions be determined by worldwide popular vote?

UN Resolutions =/= US presidential elections.
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2016, 12:23:57 am »
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I love how many people are perfectly content with the idea of rural voters mattering more than urban voters. Why can't a single vote count for the same, regardless of where it comes from?

Should votes on UN Resolutions be determined by worldwide popular vote?

Uh... no, but UN Resolutions are not elections in which millions participate.
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