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« on: September 19, 2008, 08:28:39 pm »
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November 3rd, 1992: Three major presidential hopefulls Governor William "Bill" Clinton, incumbent President George HW Bush and the independent candidate H. Ross Perot would campaign through out the fifty states as Perot would stay thru the campaign and would fluctuate through out the 92' campaign but in a close race between Perot and Clinton, Henry Ross Perot would be elected the 42nd President and the first ever independent in the White House. The Election would hinge on the state of California, the recounting and making sure of ever vote would stretch into the wee hours of the night until Ross Perot was called the victor, carrying it's 54 winning electors, winning him the presidency over the tight race with Bill Clinton.



Ross Perot/James Stockdale: 273 EV 36% PV

Bill Clinton/Al Gore: 228 EV 35% PV

George HW Bush/Dan Quayle: 37 EV 28% PV

Other (Libertarian, America First, etc): 0 EV 1% PV

CLOSE STATES(In No Order)

-California (Perot 35%, Clinton 35%, Bush 29%, Other 1%)

-Indiana (Perot 34%, Clinton 32%, Bush 32%, Other .5%)

-Michigan (Clinton 36%, Perot 33%, Bush 31%, Other .5%)

-North Carolina (Clinton 41%, Bush 39%, Perot 20%, Other .5%)

-Virginia (Bush 42%, Clinton 40%, Perot 17%, Other 1%)


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The Layout of the Congressional Election of 1992
The Presidency of H. Ross Perot
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 10:14:03 pm »
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should be a good TL.
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Layout of the Congressional Election of 1992'
-As the Republican Party fell in the Presidential Election polls and the general election, so would many Congressional candidates as smaller third party or independent candidates that flew under the same banner as Ross Perot would do fairly well in some places.

Minnesota 2nd District:
1st - Cal R. Ludeman(R) - 47%
2nd - David Minge(D) - 46%
3rd - Stan Bentz(I) - 7%

Colorado Senate Race:
1st - Ben Campbell(D) - 52%
2nd - Terry Considine(R) - 39%
3rd - Richard Grimes(I) - 6%
Other - 3%

New York Senate Race:
1st -  Robert Abrams(D) - 48%
2nd - Alfonse M. D'Amato(R) - 48%
Other - 4%

California 10th District:
1st - Wendell Williams(D) - 51%
2nd - Bill Baker(R) - 49%

Pennsylvania Senate Race:
1st - Lynn Yeakel(D) - 48%
2nd - Arlen Specter(R) - 47%
Other - 5%

Minnesota 6th District:
1st - Dean Barkley(I/IP) - 34%
2nd - Gerry Sikorski(D)  - 33%
3rd - Rod Grams(R)- 31%
Other - 1%

IP - (Independents for Perot)

NOTE:(Other Races go the same, some incumbent or incoming Democrats just are able to win by larger margins.)

House:
Democratic: 257 (-10)
Republican: 177 (+9)
Independent: 2 (+1)

Senate:
Democratic: 58 (+2)
Republican: 42 (-2)
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January 20th, 1993: "Our Democracy was stolen from the men and women of the United States so long ago by careless politicians, so they say the days of great politicians and leaders are gone? It isn't and we can have those days back and they will be again that the American people will be in command of the shining White House in Washington, it's time for America's people to govern." These word the more documented part of President Ross Perot's inaugural address at Washington, D.C. New Vice President James Stockdale would give a briefer speech than Perot's about the journey the nation was on now with the election of him and Perot.

January 29th, 1993: The first of Ross Perot cabinet positions are ratified by Congress. A short list are former President Bushes Education Secretary Lamar Alexander(R-TN) will be carried over, Texas Governor Ann Richards would become the Treasury Secretary, Bruce Babbit would become Interior Secretary, Ralph Nader would become Energy Secretary, Eric Eidsness would become Agriculture Secretary and Jerry Brown would become Commerce Secretary. Several names were wafting in the air as Donald Trump, David Boren and John Anderson were some possibles, but the possible Trump cabinet member was ruled out by President Perot. The major State, Defense and a smattering of smaller cabinet positions were still open and many names were swirling.

February 5th, 1993: The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 would be passed, the law would recognize the growing needs to balance family life and the workplace. The bill would have such things as Twelve (12) work weeks of leave per twelve (12) months for various reasons such as: Caring for the birth, adoption, or foster care placement issues, Caring for a sick child, spouse or parent, Being physically unable to perform one's job. The bill would be supported by President Perot and the man that authored the bill, Chris Dodd. The Family and Medical Leave Act would be caricatured to gain ever more support of the American people and also an attempt to create a coalition of sorts with some of the Democrats in Congress.

February 10th, 1993: After some talks, Ross Perot would select the remaining cabinet positions. For State would have Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, David Boren as Defense Secretary were some of the many new cabinet members. The only snag would come when Mayor Jesse Ventura's nomination for Transportation Secretary would be beaten and instead Norman Mineta would become Transportation Secretary instead. 

February 26th, 1993: On what seemed to be an ordinary day would have major things come into play in the Big Apple, everthing would lead to what would be know as the World Trade Center Bombing. It was when a van full of explosives would detonate at the lowest level of the WTC, one of the parking lots would be the place and at exactly 12:18 PM terror arose in the city of New York City. After the attack a total of 6 were dead but over 1,000 would be injured on account of the attack. President Perot would call this a cowardly act by the "terror men" of 2/26 and would say that the men responsible of this terrorist orchestration will be caught, this would lead to several airports being shut down for a short time in case the terrorist would try to make an escape possibly overseas or down more south to hide.

February 28th, 1993: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms(ATF) agents raid the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, with a warrant to arrest leader David Koresh on federal firearms violations. Four agents and five Davidians die in the raid and what would become a 51-day standoff begins on the 28th.

March 2nd, 1993: The Tax Deduction Act would be put into Congress for a vote to lower taxes and this would be generally accepted by many Republicans and some Democrats, having the bipartisan tax slash would be easily allowed to flow through the Senate and the House by a sizeable vote for the Tax Deduction Act.

March 20th, 1993: The Antiterrorism Act or the "John" Act of 1993 would be passed by a weary as President Perot would use the support of the people against Congress and again many were worried of possibly loosing there seats in the 1994 and 1996 Congressional Elections. The "John" Act would get it's name after one of the victims of the 2/26 Attacks on the World Trade Center and the "John" Act would make it that a terrorist can be sentenced the death penalty easily and also have there Habeus Corpus suspended. Some would say "Why are we going to suspend Habeus Corpus to terrorist, they aren't from the US?". The House would vote in an orderly fashion for the "John" Act but after haggling the act would barely go through the Senate, Phil Gramm(R-TX) would say "The Republican Party needs to stand up for themselves for a change".
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April 1st, 1993: The first major meeting between President H. Ross Perot and British Prime Minister John Major would be an normal meeting as both leaders would be photographed together for there constituents back home in America and Britain. Major and Perot would talk mainly about trade as like many worried politicians in the world about Perot's protectionist position on many issues.

April 23rd, 1993: After talks with President Perot and Representative Barkley of Minnesota, Representative Tim Penny of the Minnesota based arm of the Democratic Party would switch his party affiliation from the Democratic Farmer Labor to an Independent status in Congress. This would now make the House as so: Democrats - 256, Republicans - 177 and Independents - 3.

May 16th, 1993: The Federal Budget Amendment is proposed by President Perot, this would be to fulfill a campaign promise in the 92' Presidential Campaign about balancing the federal budget. The Amendment is backed by many Republicans and a smattering of Democrats. Commerce Secretary Brown would speak out in support of the amendment and called upon to "lift the burden from our children". The two thirds votes would be needed but Democrats were solidified against the amendment, arguing for an increase in taxes to help the budget and the deficit. Perot would stand firm as in the House it fell short by a vote of 249 to 186 and in the Senate it was easily beaten down by a vote of 57 to 43. The amendment would fail but would begin to create a more open coalition with some of the grassroot and populist Democrats.

May 27th, 1993: The official Presidential approval polls are release as the two day survey would show a fair start for Ross Perot. With 56 approve and 44 disapprove, with Perot's 56 approval rating credited by the passage of the "John" Act and the Tax Deduction Act but still many Americans that had supported either Bush or Clinton in the 92' election would be skeptical about Ross Perot.

July 1st, 1993: After Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Byron White would retire and soon President Perot would nominate Commerce Secretary Jerry Brown to replace White's position. The Senate would begin to examine Brown and for one week of haggling, the senate would vote and Brown's nomination would be close as 53 votes for it and 47 votes against.

July 18th, 1993: After much smaller tries, the Democrats would try and put forth the repeal of the ban on homosexuals in the US military. President Perot would stand against this and would live up to his word and wouldn't support the repeal. This would have Perot come under some fire again by the homosexual community in a similar mirror to the protests against Perot during the 92' campaign. Democratic Senator Sam Nunn(D-GE) would lead the charge for the repeal and would quickly trade blow to blow with Perot, "President Perot says he's the new Washington, but does the new Washington hold the same standards as the old from 1981? Do they not change and hold back the real new change for the American People? I sorry to say but President Perot is the same old Washington". After trading blows, Nunn's name would surface as a possible candidate in 1996. Perot would veto the repeal and the vote to override the veto would fall short in a small margin.

October 8th, 1993: To boost his support, President Perot would bring up the Campaign Finance Reform Act created by John McCain(R-AZ) and Russ Feingold(D-WI). The act would be fervently supported by President Perot as the Democratic Congress would "stand up to Perot" and vote down the campaign finance reform act, Perot would say that this wouldn't be the last time the act would be brought up.

November 17th-22nd, 1993: After much debate in the US Congress about the North American Free Trade Agreement(NAFTA) and also the following ratification of the NAFTA treaty in Canada and Mexico would lead to the fall of the NAFTA treaty in the US as President Perot would say that he could hear "A giant sucking sound for American jobs". Some Democrats and Republicans would call this another failure on account of the protectionist administration but this would help Perot in some areas with blue collar Americans.

November 28th, 1993: After the NAFTA treaty fell apart on account of the failure of the US to ratify it, Canada and Mexico would begin planing a trade agreement of there own, the Canadian And Mexican Trade Agreement(CANTA) would begin work on as Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari would meet to discuss CANTA and map out the trade treaty.

December 4th, 1993: After some success and failure, the December President approval polling would be release and it would not be that prominent. With the polls showing Perot at 50% approve, 44% disapprove and 6% undecided. The major events had scrapped off support from Perot but he had recovered over the months and came in at 5% lower than the polling in May, the blows dealt to Perot had send some of his support into the undecided category and for now Perot was treading on water as the Perot Administration looks on to hope in 1994.
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January 14th, 1994: After some talks with State Secretary Powell and Defense Secretary Boren, President Ross Perot would meet with Russian President Boris Yeltsin to sign the Kremlin Accords, stoping the preprogrammed aiming of nuclear weapons toward each country's targets, and also provide for the dismantling of the nuclear arsenal in Ukraine. Many would hail this as the beginning of ending the Cold War chapter and opening the hopefull peacetime between the former enemies.

January 25th, 1994: President Perot would give his first State of the Union address the the nation, sighting the good things the administration had done and also Perot would talk about the coming reforms in Washington and specifically about his "Every Child Connected" computer plan for the US, campaign finance reform and another Federal Budget Amendment.

February 4nd, 1994: After much crafting and work the CANTA treaty would go into effect for the nations of Canada and Mexico. This would have some Americans against this as some Democrats would use this to put in a few blows at President Perot over the NAFTA treaty as Perot would distrust the CANTA treaty and would be weary of the two nations but would continue diplomacy with them.

March 1st, 1994: After the position of Treasurer of the United States would be left vacant for nearly a year the position would be filled after President Perot looked over the choices and would appoint Washington outsider Pat Choate of DC to become Treasurer. This would break the line of women serving the position from Truman to Bush, President Perot saying "there need's some shaking up" and would say that he wanted to balance the Treasurer and Treasury Secretary position with a man and women.

March 4th, 1994: 4 more terrorist that were involved in the 2/26 attacks on the World Trade Center would be caught and convicted of their involvement, using the "John" Act the four would be sentenced to death. Some civil rights and Democrats would sound out against this but President Perot would say that "they deserve it".

March 30th, 1994: The rekindled Campaign Finance Reform Act would be brought up again as Perot had said the following year. The Democratic Congress would be upset by this and would vote it down for the second time. Perot would say that until the Campaign Finance Reform Act is passed that he would bring it up every chance he had.

June 5th, 1994: A small batch of Presidential approval polls are released, showing that President Perot has moved up in popularity to to 57% approve, 41% disapprove and 2% undecided. This is a major improvement for Perot and in the coming polling in December would only show his rise ever more in the coming months.

August 8th, 1994: After some pushing from the Democratic Congress to put a ban on at least some of guns, specially the assault weapons that have been used in several killings and also assaults on public schools over the Perot Administration. The Assault Weapon Restriction Act would be easily passed as President Perot would sign it into law saying "I don't see eye to eye on the gun control issue but at least we can stop some of the violence with this".

September 11th, 1994: In a suprising and shocking event as Francisco M. Duran would fire over two dozen shots at the White House by the fence separating the White House from the nearby street. He would be restled by the Secret Service and taken into custody and charged with attempted to kill President Ross Perot. The main motives of Duran would be linked to the Assault Weapons Ban from August.

September 17th, 1994: President Perot would use the attack on his life for him as Americans were solidified around him for a short time of a week before returning to the approve and disapprove regions and would put his "Every Child Connected" program in Congress and would create a small branch of a government sponsored program to use to growing Internet and use it's potential for the American people. The program would be easily passed through Congress with bipartisan support.

September 19th, 1994: Vice President James Stockdale would begin a campaign for several candidates that are either Independents or "Perotists" for the upcoming midterm Congressional Election. Some political pundits would say that "The troll comes out from his cave" to parallel the virtual shunning of the media by Vice President Stockdale. This would prompt spitfire reaction by the Perot Administration saying that "How dare they call Vice President Stockdale a troll, my god he's a war hero".

November 4th, 1994: The first conference devoted entirely to the subject of the commercial potential of the World Wide Web (WWW) would open in San Francisco, California. Speakers would include Marc Andreesseen of Netscape, Mark Graham of Pandora Systems and others including the special guest President Perot. Perot would come to discuss his new "Every Child Connected" program.

November 8th, 1994: The Congressional Midterm Elections - This will have a separate part for this.
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The Layout of the Midterm Congressional Election of 1994
-As the Democrats sat back and watched things play out they would see a surge of Republicans into the Congress but not enough to have control but this would threaten there hold on the Congress as Republicans were more supportive of President Perot on many issues.

Defeated House Democrats - A partial list
-John Baldacci defeated by Richard Bennett(R)
-Thomas Barlow defeated by Ed Whitfield(R)
-Frank McCloskey defeated by John Hostettler(R)
-Dan Rostenkowski defeated by Michael Patrick Flanagan(R)
-George Darden defeated by Bob Barr(R)
-Sam Gejdenson defeated by Edward Munster(R)
- Lynn Schenk defeated by Brian Bilbray(R)
-Karan English defeated by J. D. Hayworth(R)
-Tom Ridge(I) wins his seat back against English and Leavens
-Bill Tiffee(I) wins against J.C. Watts Jr and David Perryman
-Cal Ludeman is defeated by Stan Bentz(I)

Defeated Senate Democrats - A partial list
-Chuck Robb defeated by Oliver North(R)
-Harris Wofford defeated by Rick Santorum(R)
-Joel Hyatt looses to Mike DeWine(R) in the Senate Election
-Jim Sasser is defeated by Bill Frist(R)
-Ted Kennedy is defeated by Mitt Romney(R)

House:
Republican: 215 (+38)
Democratic: 214  (-41)
Independent: 1 (-2)
Reform Coalition: 5 (+5)

Senate:
Democratic: 52 (-6)
Republican: 48 (+6)


Gubernational Elections

-Texas would reelect Governor Bob Bullock over the son of former President George HW Bush, George W Bush. Both Bullock and Bush would easily win there parties nomination as Bullock won by about 70% of the vote and Bush won with about 90% of the vote. The elections would be close as Bullock would win with 50% to Bush's 48% as the other third parties would do little as the "Perotist" weren't ready to field candidates in many states as the Libertarians only pulled .5% of the vote in the election.

-Pennsylvania would see a strong battle for both the Democratic and Republican nomination for the Governorship as Lt. Governor Mark Singel would barely beat Treasurer Catherine Knoll with a 31% to 29% as Dwight Evans would pull a strong 22% of the votes. The Republicans would have the same luck as former Senator Arlen Specter would run for the Republican nomination and would have a three way battle between Specter, Representative Tom Ridge and Attorney General Ernie Preate Jr. As Samuel Katz and State Senator Mike Fisher would have around 12-14% of the vote, they would be enough to siphon off votes to have Specter barely pull out a win over Ridge and Preate. Arlen Specter would win the Governorship against Singel by a 43% to 40% and the Constitution candidate Peg Luksik would take 13% of the votes.
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January 1st, 1995: The World Trade Organization (WTO) is formed to replace the General Agreement of Tariffs and Trade(GATT). President Perot makes no move to join as Congressional leaders say that America must, these pleas goes unheard.

January 2nd, 1995: The Presidential Pollings come out as President Perot has ridden over choppy seas as his approval ratings have slowly rose through the two years in office. With 59% approval, 40% disapproval and 9% undecided, with more people becoming undecideds as Perot's approval ratings rose.

January 21st, 1995: Governor Robert P. Casey of Pennsylvania would declare his creation of a exploratory committee for a possible run for the Democratic nomination in 1996. In short time Casey becomes the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.

February 9th, 1995: The Campaign Finance Reform Act is brought up again in Congress and with Republicans in control of the House and with the Reform Coalition giving it's backing in the House would lead to a 221 to 214 Democrats. The Act would pass easily through the House but would hit a snag in the Senate as the vote would come down to a tied 50 - 50 vote. Vice President Stockdale would cast the deciding vote and the Campaign Finance Reform Act of 1995 would be passed.

February 12th, 1995: Governor Pete Wilson of California would declare his candidacy for the Republican Nomination, sighting that he is the candidate for the middle class Americans.

February 22nd, 1995: On the anniversary of George Washington's birthday, Senator Sam Nunn makes his announcement for the Democratic Party nomination, sighting that the Perot Administration has been nothing but failures and has only created more partisan bickering.

February 24th, 1995: Senator Phil Gramm of Texas declares his candidacy for the Republican Nomination at College Station, Texas. The Gramm rally would declare that "It's time to stop Perot's bullying of the Republican Party" this would have a smattering of support as many major leaders in the Republican Party support President Perot more than they dislike him.

February 28th, 1995: After ailing health problems, Robert Casey would suspend his exploratory commitee for the nomination in 1996. With ailing health all through out the major part of his campaigning would lead to a power gap for the nomination.

March 3rd, 1995: After the success of the Campaign Finance Reform Act, President Perot would bring up the Federal Balance Budget Amendment again and it would have success finally after two years since it was first brought up. President Perot would declare that "Scratch in two wins for the American people". The new 28th Amendment to the Constitution would be ratified easily by the necessary states.

March 8th, 1995: Daniel Moynihan declares his candidacy for the Democratic nomination to a roaring crowd in New York, calling upon more free trade and a open diplomacy policy.

March 20th, 1995: James Buchanan announces his candidacy for the Republican Presidential Nomination at the Manchester University of Arts in New Hampshire.

April 9th, 1995: Former Vice Presidential candidate from 1992, Al Gore would declare his candidacy for the Democratic Nomination, saying he would bring real governing for the left and calling on health care reform and more "green" policies. 

April 10th, 1995: Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole declares his candidacy to a crowd in Topeka, Kansas. Flanked by Governor Graves and several other officials would declare "an America strong again in heart and sure of mind. I would like to lead us there."

April 19th, 1995: Dick Lugar would declare his candidacy for the Republican Presidential Nomination in his home state of Indiana, calling upon a leader they can trust in the White House.
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Hey this is great.  I like the party "Reform Coalition."
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April 19th, 1995:A stunning a devastating attack by homegrown terrorists detonate a bomb in Oklahoma City, leaving 168 people dead and 800 injured in the attack. The Oklahoma City Bombing would become the most deadly attack on American soil to date. President Perot calls out that "America will not give up until the these terrorist are caught and executed".

April 21st, 1995: The Oklahoma City Bombing mastermind Timothy McVeigh would be charged with the 168 deaths of the OKC bombing and would be sentenced to death. President Perot would say that "Justice has been served" in a speech to the American people over the OKC bombing and the subsequent death sentence.

April 23rd, 1995: The first round for the French Presidential Election of 1995 would commence as five contenders would be able to win over provinces in the first round of voting. The Socialist candidate Lionel Jospin would win by about 3% over the RPR candidate Jacques Chirac as the splinter candidate of the RPR Edouard Balladur would also be supported by the Union for French Democracy (UFD) would be the closest with 2% less than Chirac's 20% of the vote.

May 2nd, 1995: In a suprise move, Senator Jay Rockefeller and former Governor of West Virginia would declare his candidacy in Charleston, declaring that "America needs someone that can win".

May 7th, 1995: The second round of voting for the French Presidential Election of 1995 would commence as Jospin and Chirac would be left in the mix and would campaign hard. Jospin would say that France needs more to be more open to free trade on account of the protectionist United States and this would prove enough in the close election. With the votes in, Lionel Jospin would win the election with 50% of the vote against Chirac's 49% of the vote.

July 4th, 1995: At the July 4th celebration at Washington, President Ross Perot would declare that the Reform Coalition and all of his supporters would be pleased with the announcement of the formation of an official Reform Coalition or the Reform Party of America called by some. Many would hail this as a good start for a viable third party in America and a different take on a political party as others were becoming worried about there positions in American politics and the threat the new Reform Coalition was bringing to the table.

August 15th, 1995: President H. Ross Perot would announce his run for a second term in the White House under the new Reform Coalition Party nomination. Perot would quickly run unopposed for the nomination.

August 19th, 1995: The Ames Straw Poll would be held and it would be a suprising turn of events. With Gramm beating out Dole by 1% of the vote, he would be seen as a strong possible for the nomination now as Lugar and Wilson would do better than expected.

Results:

1st - Phil Gramm - 28%
2nd - Bob Dole - 27%
3rd - Pat Buchanan - 21%
4th - Alan Keyes - 10%
5th - Dick Lugar - 7%
6th - Pete Wilson - 6%
Other - 1%

September 22nd, 1995: American millionare and editor in chief of Forbes Steve Forbes would announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination in a suprise to many but some would compare his candidacy to that of Ross Perot's during 1992.

October 5th, 1995: Numerous time candidate for president Lyndon LaRouche Jr would declare his candidacy for the Democratic nomination. LaRouche's candidacy would be brushed off by the media and the Democratic bosses and major Democrats in political office.

October 16th, 1995: The Million Man March would commence in Washington D.C. The march would be backed by the Nation of Islam and there leader Louis Farrakhan. The march would circle around the idea to get more blacks registered and also vote in elections in the US, some people in Washington would be worried by this march but it would have a good core ideal and President Perot would let them have the march. Perot's blessing would immediately come back to bite him as a controversial speaker at the event would bring back the small quip used by Perot during the 92' campaign, "Thank you, you people" would be a stinging phrase of words to the Perot Administration.

October 19th, 1995: Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey would announce his candidacy with his family to an audiance in Omaha. He would call upon "Reason for the nation".

October 30th, 1995: The Quebec Referendum for Quebecois Independence would be held on the 30th of October. As the day approached for the vote for "YES" or "NO", some Federalists would try and gain support from President Perot and at least a partial backing of the American people but no luck as Perot would announce that "America is neutral". The vote would be a shock as "YES" would win with a bare minimum victory of 50.1% to 49.9% for "NO" and Canadian Prime Minister Chrétien wouldn't recognize it at first as many other Canadian officials would. With "YES" winning, the issue of if Chretien can still govern on account that he was born in the now former Province of Quebec.

November 1st, 1995: The official "Cree" of the Sovereign Injustice Referendum would be drawn up and put forth in the major Cree and Iniut areas of Quebec and would pass easily with nearly 80% of the vote to remain apart of Canada. The new Republic of Quebec and the Provisional President Jacques Parizeau would recognize this. This area would be formed into the "Inuit" Territory with Matthew Coon Come as provisional Premier of the new territory.

November 2nd, 1995: The Sovereignty Bill would pass through the Quebec National Assembly to official affirm the Republic of Quebec's reassurance of their sovereignty. After this, French President Jospin would be the first leaders to send ambassadors to Quebec.

November 3rd, 1995: After the flurry of the Quebec "YES" vote, the remaining Canada wold meet and after saying that the Quebec seccesion isn't valid and would be met with Quebecois attacks and after this a unilateral seccession  as some called it would be recognized after a struggle on the issue and the decision by the Supreme Court of Canada in Quebec's favor.
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Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
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Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.
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Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
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Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
Sorry thought you were talking about Jospin's Presidency.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2008, 03:39:57 pm »
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Results:

1st - Phil Gramm - 28%
2nd - Bob Dole - 27%
3rd - James Buchanan - 21%
4th - Alan Keyes - 10%
5th - Dick Lugar - 7%
6th - Pete Wilson - 6%
Other - 1%


Wow.  he must've been about 204 years old.  the oldest Presidential candidate.  (lol).
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2008, 07:11:02 pm »
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Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
Sorry thought you were talking about Jospin's Presidency.

So, does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995 or not?
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2008, 03:33:24 pm »
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Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
Sorry thought you were talking about Jospin's Presidency.
So, does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995 or not?
After some evaluation and yes Jospin does dissolve the national assembly. Also I hope to get the first part of 1996 posted tonight and everyone who read's the TL, thanks. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2008, 02:11:56 am »
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Chrétien wouldn't have accepted such a narrow result.
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Chrétien wouldn't have accepted such a narrow result.
So what could happen if the referendum results weren't accepted? Could there be civil unrest, certainly not a "Canadian Civil War" right?
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2008, 09:48:05 pm »
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Chrétien wouldn't have accepted such a narrow result.
So what could happen if the referendum results weren't accepted? Could there be civil unrest, certainly not a "Canadian Civil War" right?

Unilateral secession, probably. I've been planning a TL about that.
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December 16th, 1995: The latest polling for the first six primaries and or caucuses for both the Republican and Democratic Parties would have Gramm in the lead in Iowa, Forbes leading in Delaware, Dole leading in North and South Dakota and Arizona and New Hampshire were complete toss ups. For the Democrats, it is more of a toss up as Iowa is a struggle between Kerrey and Nunn, New Hampshire is a struggle between Moynihan and Gore, Delaware is tending more and more towards Nunn, North and South Dakota are showing Kerrey in the lead and Arizona is a struggle between Nunn and Gore.

December 23rd, 1995: As candidates battle for every state, many political pundits say that they are surprised by how terrible Rockefeller is in polls. With 6% in Iowa, 9% in Delaware and 6% in Arizona, one pundit would say that "Rockefeller's a great candidate, about five months ago but now he a terrible candidate. He has no base or support as much of the good endorsers have already thrown there lot in with either Nunn, Moynihan or Kerrey".

January 24th, 1996: In a suprise move, Vice President Stockdale would declare that he wouldn't be running with Ross Perot in 1996 for reelection for the Vice Presidency. Stockdale would sight that because of his continuing ailing health would make him put himself out of the running in 96'. President Perot would say that he is saddened by this turn of events but will stand by his friend. The search for a new VP would quickly commence for President Perot.

February 12th, 1996: The nation watches as the Iowa Caucus plays out. With the vote in for the Republican side, this would show as many had thought with Gramm at 26%, Dole at 25%, Buchanan at 20%, Forbes with 11%, Keyes with 8% and lugar and Wilson with 5% each. The Democrats would also have a split results for Iowa, with Nunn at 30%, Kerrey at 26%, Gore 19%, Moynihan at 15% and Rockefeller at 6% with 4% for other smaller candidates. With Nunn's victory over Kerrey by 4%, he would be easily crowned the frontrunner of the pack.

February 20th, 1996: After eight days of Nunn's settling in as the frontrunner, he would skip three primaries in February and would campaign in South Carolina and Arizona and would let the other candidates fight amongst themselves. The votes came in and Daniel Moynihan and Al Gore had a long drawn out campaign against each other for the state of New Hampshire but with 38% for Moynihan, 32% for Gore, 20% for Nunn, Rockefeller with 6% and 4% for other candidates. New Hampshire for the republicans would be more fought over as Dole would need a certain victory after the close loss in Iowa by Phil Gramm, Gramm himself would go on and campaign in other primaries. The results would continue to hit the Dole campaign as 31% for Buchanan, 29% for Dole, 16% for Forbes, 8% for Gramm, 6% for Lugar, Wilson and Keyes with 4% and 2% for other smaller candidates.

February 24th, 1996: Delaware would be easily won by Steve Forbes with 33% of the vote, 22% for Dole, 19% for Buchanan, Gramm with 12%, Lugar with 5%, Keyes with  5%, Wilson with 3% and 1% for other candidates. Nunn would win with 35% of the vote, 24% for Moynihan, 20% for Gore, 10% for Rockefeller, 8% for Kerrey and 3% for other candidates.

February 25th, 1996: Governor Pete Wilson of California would drop out of the race sighting poor numbers in the primaries and underfunding for his campaign.

February 27th, 1996: The three primary day would have Arizona, South Dakota and North Dakota to hold there primaries. Kerrey would easily win in the Dakota's as Nunn would pull off another victory and would continue his "frontrunner" status. For the Republicans it would have some suprises as Gramm would pull out a victory over Dole in North Dakota but Dole would hold on South Dakota and Arizona would be another suprise victory for Forbes.

March 2nd, 1996: South Carolina would be the crown jewel for the Republicans as it has determined the nominee for quite some time and Gramm would pull an upset over Dole and Buchanan. As for the Democrats it would be more simple as Nunn would pull off another victory over his main opponent Al Gore.

March 3rd, 1996: After his close losses and disheartening numbers in the primaries, former VP nominee Al Gore would drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination. After this there would be swirling possibilities about Gore running in 2000.

March 3rd, 1996: Bob Dole would win the Puerto Rico primary on account of him being the only major name on the ballot, gaining about 99% of the vote. This would be a hope to refuel the Dole campaign and quell some of the political pundits calls to drop out of the race.
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March 5th, 1996: The Democrats and Republicans would hold a tsunami of primaries on the 5th, eight in total and would be a strange and fought over prizes to have a clear frontrunner in all of this and knock out as many candidates as possible.

Republican Overlay:
Georgia - Pat Buchanan would rain high in much of the deep south and would easily carry Georgia over Dole and Gramm.

Connecticut - Steve Forbes would be able to squeak out a victory over both Buchanan and Dole in the Constitution State.

Maine - Pat Buchanan would pull a upset over Dole and win with just over 30% in a three way race between Dole and Forbes.

Colorado - In a four way race over Colorado, Gramm would pull out a tight win over Dole, Buchanan and Forbes in the Centennial State.

Maryland - Buchanan would pull another upset over Dole in Maryland as both Gramm and Forbes would have only lower than 20% in the votes.

Massachusetts - Dole would barley win as Gramm and Buchanan pulled for an upset but it was a close win and would be a hopefull restart of the Dole campaign.

Rhode Island - Dole would easily win Little Rhody as many major candidates would avert it and campaign in other states.

Vermont - In a tight fourway race and with a strong showing of Dick Lugar about 15% would have Gramm pull out a close victory over Dole, Forbes and Buchanan.


Democratic Overlay:
Colorado - After a strong focusing on Colorado, Bob Kerrey would be able to pull out a 5% victory over Nunn and would begin to solidify his standing with westerners.

Connecticut - Daniel Moynihan would easily win the little Nutmeg State as having little fight for the win with Nunn or Kerry as Rockefeller would have a strong 10% as he would try and pickup some of the Gore supporters.

Georgia - Nunn's home state would easily win with nearly 80% of the vote as candidates would shun away from the Peach State.

Maine - Another northern state to fall in line with Moynihan and this would be one of the many strong northern states that would put doubt on Nunn about him just being a strong force in the south and small scattered patches of support elsewhere.

Vermont - One more victory for Daniel Moynihan in the progressive Green Mountain State and this would be one of four northern states won by Moynihan on the 5th.

Maryland - Nunn would win by a substantial support over Kerrey, Moynihan and Rockefeller. This would be the time that Rockefeller would announce that if he at least doesn't break 15% in any of the remaining states he would drop out on the 6th.

Massachusetts - Moynihan would pick up another state and drop it into his growing category as the Bay State would have a strong showing of Rockefeller with 11% as his campaigning would fall short of the 15% he wanted at least.

Rhode Island - Another large margin would come to Moynihan in New England as he built up his support and his opposition to Nunn, this would finish off the four victories for Moynihan for the "Super Tuesday".
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March 6th, 1996: Jay Rockefeller would officially drop out of the race for the Democratic Nomination in 1996. Rockefeller would say that "Maybe someday they'll be a Rockefeller in the White House".

March 6th, 1996: The day after the "Super Tuesday" primaries, all of the news groups would talk about the now unclear path for both the Democrats and the Republicans as they talked about how Perot was hammering the two parties as he had no resistance and began early campaigning for the election. Former nominee Bill Clinton would appear on CNN and would talk about the "Clinton Effect" that Nunn was only winning states majorly in the south as Clinton had done at first and "I was nominated in 92, I believe Nunn can be nominated for 96 as well" Clinton would say in the interview.

March 7th, 1996: The Empire State would cast it's vote for it's son of the state, Daniel Moynihan and with a 10% win over Nunn who was hoping to pull out a suprise and show he was viable in the North would come today. As for the Republicans, Dole, Forbes and Gramm would duke it out over the state but through this they would send it into Forbes Corner.

March 11th, 1996: President Ross Perot would announce that on the upcoming "Junior Tuesday" on the 12th that he would announce his choice for his Vice President on his interview with NBC.

March 12th, 1996: The Junior Tuesday would have a sweep of seven states and Nunn would win six of the seven primaries and would be crowned the frontrunner as Moynihan would only win Oregon as Kerrey had taken a backseat and his possible dropping out was much talked about. The Republicans would have a more mixed turn of events as Texas, Oklahoma and Florida, Buchanan would win Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee, Dole would win Oregon and his campaign would soon begin to go under.

March 12th, 1996: In one of the few appearance rallies by Ross Perot, he would announce his Vice Presidential choice in Oklahoma City and that his Defense Secretary David Boren would become his VP, this would be followed by the unveiling of the Perot/Boren '96 banner.

March 15th, 1996: Bob Kerrey would drop out of the race after announcing it to his last rally as a presidential hopefull for '96. Kerrey would say that "The west showed itself today and I hope that after all of this that I am proud to announce that I must and shall endorse Samuel Nunn for the presidency". This drop out by Kerrey was widely seen as a possible coming to fruition but the quick support of Nunn would be a suprise as things began to fly of a possible bargin with Nunn for a cabinet or the VP spot in a Nunn Presidency.

March 18th, 1996: Bob Dole would sadly drop out of the race after being bumped off as the opposition candidate to Gramm by Pat Buchanan, saying that "I wanted to lead a strong America but not today, we showed Washington that America needs strength".

March 19th, 1996: Four more primaries would occur on the 19th as Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Illinois would hold votes for there respective primaries. Gramm would win in a 10% win over Buchanan and Forbes and Gramm in Illinois would win also Ohio and Wisconsin, Buchanan would win Michigan in a tight race. Democrats would have Moynihan win in Wisconsin and Michigan on account of his more liberal views than Nunn as a strong "Stop Nunn" campaign began as Nunn won Ohio and Illinois in a bare minimun win over Moynihan.


Democratic and Republican Primaries So Far. (Top-R, Bottom-D)
Phil Gramm/Daniel Moynihan
Sam Nunn/Bob Dole
Steve Forbes
Bob Kerrey
Pat Buchanan
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Good timeline.  However, it's Bob *Kerrey*, not *Kerry*.

Also, back then, it was "Junior Tuesday" and "Super Tuesday" (Super Tuesday being the largest primary day, and Junior Tuesday being the second largest).  Not "first tsunami" and "second tsunami".

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 11:11:16 am »
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Good timeline.  However, it's Bob *Kerrey*, not *Kerry*.

Also, back then, it was "Junior Tuesday" and "Super Tuesday" (Super Tuesday being the largest primary day, and Junior Tuesday being the second largest).  Not "first tsunami" and "second tsunami".


Thanks I missed the "e", I thought is was like John Kerry but I think I can change them up pretty easily. The Junior and Super Tuesday's won't be a problem, I can do some recorrecting pretty easy there and thanks again.
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