NC-PPP: Obama in the driver's seat

[Prez Duke]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Which is my point. I'll end up voting for McCain simply because he made an effort to do something, even though it appears he failed at it. Obama did absolutely nothing except whine about not debating and how it wasn't his job to be involved in this.

I don't know. I've lost $20,000 today in my college fund and college isn't cheap. Congress needed to act and, as usual, they didn't. And we're getting ready to give the majority in the do-nothing Congress an even bigger majority. Go ahead and elect Obama too so we can have a single party government and see how well they do. Then maybe we'll get our sh**t in order.

[KeyKeeper]

I am voting for Sen. Obama. After the debate and now the whole bail-out thing we need someone who can get us out of this mess.

I don't think he can get us out of this mess, but McCain acted clueless during this whole thing. He called off his campaign for what? To go save America. That was admirable, but he couldn't get the votes to pass it.

I agree, I didn't like Sen. McCain that much to start with, I just liked Sarah Palin.

So who did you support in the primaries and pre-Palin?

I was still living in Asheville, NC in May, and I vote for Sen. Obama in the primaries.

[All life is a blur of Republicans and meat.]

I am voting for Sen. Obama. After the debate and now the whole bail-out thing we need someone who can get us out of this mess.

I don't think he can get us out of this mess, but McCain acted clueless during this whole thing. He called off his campaign for what? To go save America. That was admirable, but he couldn't get the votes to pass it.

I agree, I didn't like Sen. McCain that much to start with, I just liked Sarah Palin.

So who did you support in the primaries and pre-Palin?

I was still living in Asheville, NC in May, and I vote for Sen. Obama in the primaries.

So did you go to the leadership conference with Josh22?

[Former Moderate]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

[Iosif]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

Strong leadership there.

[Senator Ben]

Hardly in the driver's seat; although it's still good to see Obama ahead in 2 polls here.

[KeyKeeper]

I am voting for Sen. Obama. After the debate and now the whole bail-out thing we need someone who can get us out of this mess.

I don't think he can get us out of this mess, but McCain acted clueless during this whole thing. He called off his campaign for what? To go save America. That was admirable, but he couldn't get the votes to pass it.

I agree, I didn't like Sen. McCain that much to start with, I just liked Sarah Palin.

So who did you support in the primaries and pre-Palin?

I was still living in Asheville, NC in May, and I vote for Sen. Obama in the primaries.

So did you go to the leadership conference with Josh22?

No, I never liked Sen. McCain, I was just hoping that he would win and die so Sarah Palin would become President. I like her, she is a fresh face. But with the way things are going right now we need a Democrat in office. If you look at my Matric score you can tell I have a mix of both Republicans and Democrats, or a Dixiecrat.

[NOVA Green]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

McCain was not stabbed in the back by the Democrats, but rather by House Republicans that were hearing the same reaction from their constituents as House Democrats were.

[Thomas Jackson]

Uh, this poll is absolutely laughable. Did anyone bother to look at the internals?

Democrats 48%?!?
Republicans 34%
(Democrats +14%)

+14 and the best you can come up with is a statistical tie?

Anyone care to guess what the party breakdowns in 2004 were?

[Grad Students are the Worst]

Uh, this poll is absolutely laughable. Did anyone bother to look at the internals?

Democrats 48%?!?
Republicans 34%
(Democrats +14%)

+14 and the best you can come up with is a statistical tie?

Anyone care to guess what the party breakdowns in 2004 were?

That actually about matches registration statistics.  Probably still a Dem over-estimation, but using a 2004 model would be even worse.

[So the Heroes Fall]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

Is anyone surprised the Democrats refused to help McCain?

[Thomas Jackson]

That actually about matches registration statistics.  Probably still a Dem over-estimation, but using a 2004 model would be even worse.

It's even more laughable when you consider that the current voter registration breakdown in NC is 45% Democrat, 32% Republican and 22% Unaffiliated. (D+13)

By way of comparison, in 2004 it was 47% Democrat, 34% Republican and 18% unaffiliated in 2004. (D+13)

Anyone who actually believes this poll, I have a bridge that I'll sell you real cheap.

[J. J.]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

One of these guys have to lead.

[Thomas Jackson]

You don't know much about North Carolina do you?

I know far more about NC than you could ever imagine.
   
Hint: That little State icon in the left hand corner is not representative of where one actually lives.

[Thomas Jackson]

Think about it for a second.

A +13 Democratic Registration advantage in 2004 resulted in a 40%-39% Republican advantage on election day.

A +13 Democratic Registration advantage in 2008 isn't going to swing that all that much. Certainly not anywhere near what PPP is suggesting.

PPP is a partisan Democrat firm. They are cooking the books and the best they can manage is a statistical tie.

[I left.]

Think about it for a second.

A +13 Democratic Registration advantage in 2004 resulted in a 40%-39% Republican advantage on election day.

A +13 Democratic Registration advantage in 2008 isn't going to swing that all that much. Certainly not anywhere near what PPP is suggesting.

PPP is a partisan Democrat firm. They are cooking the books and the best they can manage is a statistical tie.

Is Rasmussen also a partisan Democrat firm?

[Thomas Jackson]

Is Rasmussen also a partisan Democrat firm?

This post is about PPP, not Rasmussen.

Do you have the internals of the Rasmussen poll?

[Former Moderate]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

Strong leadership there.

Stronger leadership, thanks, than standing around and doing nothing.

[Aizen]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

Strong leadership there.

Stronger leadership, thanks, than standing around and doing nothing.

Retarded political ploys =/= Strong leadership. I'm sorry if this bothers you Mr. Republican

[Josh/Devilman88]

I told you guys, North Carolina will vote fore Obama this year.

[Cashcow]

You don't know much about North Carolina do you?

I know far more about NC than you could ever imagine.

[Alaska Thunderfvck]

It's weird looking at maps now and seeing that North Carolina looks more blue than Ohio. I dont think that will actually be the outcome...but its just odd to look over currently.

[Secretary Polnut]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

McCain tried to do something, but was met by Washington Democrats with a general "Fuck you, John McCain."  Is anyone surprised that he wasn't able to affect the outcome?

Strong leadership there.

Stronger leadership, thanks, than standing around and doing nothing.

What precisely did McCain do?

He looked as if he was doing something, while in reality both McCain and Obama were as influential as each other and achieved exactly the same thing. ... nothing.

[Democratic Hawk]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

A USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Sep. 26-27, only Obama of all leaders had a net approval on the handling of the credit crisis

U.S. Leaders Not Getting High Marks on Credit Crisis [29 September, 2008]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110782/US-Leaders-Getting-High-Marks-Crisis.aspx

Please say whether you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has responded to the problems on Wall Street

Sen. Barack Obama: 46% approve; 43% disapprove (net +3)
Democratic leaders in Congress: 39% approve; 50% disapprove (net -11)
Sen. John McCain: 37% approve; 53% disapprove (net -16)
Republican leaders in Congress: 31% approve; 58% disapprove (net -27)
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson: 28% approve; 51% disapprove (net -23)
President George W Bush: 28% approve; 68% disapprove (net -40)

Maybe a calm head (Obama) is more reassuring, in these times, than an erratic one (McCain)?

Dave

[Prez Duke]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

I a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Sep. 26-27, only Obama of all leaders came closest to majority approval on the handling of the bailout crisis

U.S. Leaders Not Getting High Marks on Credit Crisis [29 September, 2008]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110782/US-Leaders-Getting-High-Marks-Crisis.aspx

Please say whether you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has responded to the problems on Wall Street

Sen. Barack Obama: 46% approve; 43% disapprove (net +3)
Democratic leaders in Congress: 39% approve; 50% disapprove (net -11)
Sen. John McCain: 37% approve; 53% disapprove (net -16)
Republican leaders in Congress: 31% approve; 58% disapprove (net -27)
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson: 28% approve; 51% disapprove (net -23)
President George W Bush: 28% approve; 68% disapprove (net -40)

Maybe a calm head (Obama) is more reassuring, in these times, than an erratic one (McCain)?

Dave

It's just sad that the Republicans are getting the blame for this whole mess. Obama is winning by doing nothing, and if it weren't for Nancy Pelosi going on a tirade against the Republicans like a bitch that she is on the House floor before they voted, we would've passed this bill and moved on. Instead, the Democrats  it up and the Republicans get most of the blame. It's really sad.

We're about to elect President Obama who's method of leadership is to vote present, and give him 60 seat majorities in the Senate and House. We're really screwed.