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« on: September 29, 2008, 05:01:28 pm »
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Pennsylvania: Obama 50, McCain 42
Virginia: Obama 50, McCain 47
Colorado: Obama 48, McCCain 47
Florida: Obama 47, McCain 47
Ohio: Mccain 48, Obama 47
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 05:04:44 pm »
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Virginia more democratic than Colorado? Perhaps some Coloradans who were previously voting Obama trust a republican to fix the economic mess more than a democrat? Pennsylvania is good to see though.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 05:05:12 pm »
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Point of reference: these polls were conducted Sun., 9/28.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 05:05:56 pm »
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Quote from: Nutmeg on September 29, 2008, 05:05:12 pm
Point of reference: these polls were conducted Sun., 9/28.

Well, they were published today, but I suppose I will put 9/28 in the title.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 05:06:53 pm »
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MSNBC just moved PA into the toss up category.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 05:08:09 pm »
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Quote from: J. J. on September 29, 2008, 05:06:53 pm
MSNBC just moved PA into the toss up category.

Yeah, pretty stupid on their part.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 05:09:09 pm »
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Who cares about the networks' maps? Aren't these the idiots who have New Mexico leaning McCain?
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 05:09:43 pm »
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Point of reference: these polls were conducted Sun., 9/28.
Well, they were published today, but I suppose I will put 9/28 in the title.

I was just thinking it might be important to note that these polls preceded today's disaster.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2008, 05:10:26 pm »
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Looks about right (at least before today), but I want to look through the crosstabs to see if one of these polls is the one in twenty before saying too much.

The FOX News thingy is still funny.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2008, 05:14:41 pm »
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Why would Obama's leads in CO and VA get smaller while his national lead got larger though (according to Rasmussen)?
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2008, 05:17:00 pm »
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Why would Obama's leads in CO and VA get smaller while his national lead got larger though (according to Rasmussen)?

Because Rasmussen is not always right and people need to stop acting like their polls are the be-all-end-all.
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2008, 05:17:42 pm »
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Why would Obama's leads in CO and VA get smaller while his national lead got larger though (according to Rasmussen)?

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2008, 05:18:30 pm »
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Who cares about the networks' maps? Aren't these the idiots who have New Mexico leaning McCain?

Not to mention BRTD they only moved Minnesota into the lean Obama column upon the conclusion of the Republican National Convention earlier this month. I think they also did that with Iowa for some bizarre reason. And which network was it do you ask? CNN!!!
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Quote from: Eraserhead on September 29, 2008, 05:14:41 pm
Why would Obama's leads in CO and VA get smaller while his national lead got larger though (according to Rasmussen)?

statistical noise, my brother

Yeah, probably
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2008, 05:23:47 pm »
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PA is clearly not a toss-up and should probably stop being polled along with these other states - which are actual swing states.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2008, 05:27:06 pm »
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The PA sample is a tad odd, but probably not a complete outlier.  The other samples look pretty good, actually.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008, 05:28:25 pm »
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Obama isn't going to win Ohio, is he?
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 06:18:33 pm »
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wow these numbers are actually pretty good for McCain cosnidering the kind of week hes having.  Ras has always had McCain up big in OH, but CO is not going the way of their other polls.   

OH is wide open, the numbers dont seem to be changing much, pollsters jsut keep disagreeing.  RAS always has it a "strong" lean while a lot of the others have it barely Obama.  OH is a crap-shoot this year.
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Who cares about the networks' maps? Aren't these the idiots who have New Mexico leaning McCain?

No.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 06:24:35 pm »
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These were all +3-5 improvements for Obama.

Compared to FiveThirtyEight's snapshots, for Obama:

PA: +3
VA: -2
CO: -5
FL: -1
OH: -2

Average: -1.4
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 06:59:30 pm »
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I was actually encouraged that McCain was able to be down 1 in Colorado and be within 3 in VA as my memory tells me he was down 5 in the last poll by ras there. 

Some days you just have to look for the positive.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2008, 07:34:17 pm »
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Typically, you're going to see less swing in the highly contested states just because they are so highly contested.

Still, while examining the other state polling, it seems fairly clear that Obama was ahead by 3 prior to the last debate. 

It'll take us at least another few days to feel out where things post-debate/bailout failure.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2008, 07:47:49 pm »
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Eh, I'm still a little iffy about one-day polls on Sundays.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2008, 08:39:42 pm »
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Why would Obama's leads in CO and VA get smaller while his national lead got larger though (according to Rasmussen)?

Because Rasmussen is not always right and people need to stop acting like their polls are the be-all-end-all.

Yup Smiley everybody lays an egg now and then - just the way it is Smiley

Never, ever forget.. One poll is, well, one poll Smiley

Rasmussen has shown he can get it right, that does not mean he has gotten it right again.

Rasmussen has proven himself to be a good pollster and belongs in the data set, along with the other top tier pollsters.

What I do is look at the list of polls for a state, throw out the obvious idiots based upon their historical outcomes, and average the rest. - Works almost all of the time Smiley
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