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Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Quote from: Keystone Phil on October 03, 2008, 04:37:43 pm
I'm pretty surprised at how many people here think that it's a selfish act. Is it selfish is some regards? Yes. I'm not sure that it is in most cases though. Now when we're talking about Budd Dwyer type situations...well...don't even get me started on that disgrace...
Well, I think when a lot of people say it's "selfish" they are not necessarily talking about the person who kills himself. I think, at least to me, that the act is selfish to the family of the loved one. How a person could end their life when they may have a lot of family for support and he is taking himself from his/her family. I worked with someone who killed himself and he had a wife and two children, very sad for his family and very selfish.
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Quote from: StatesRights on October 04, 2008, 02:13:11 am
Quote from: Keystone Phil on October 03, 2008, 04:37:43 pm
I'm pretty surprised at how many people here think that it's a selfish act. Is it selfish is some regards? Yes. I'm not sure that it is in most cases though. Now when we're talking about Budd Dwyer type situations...well...don't even get me started on that disgrace...
Well, I think when a lot of people say it's "selfish" they are not necessarily talking about the person who kills himself. I think, at least to me, that the act is selfish to the family of the loved one. How a person could end their life when they may have a lot of family for support and he is taking himself from his/her family. I worked with someone who killed himself and he had a wife and two children, very sad for his family and very selfish.
Oh, yes, I totally agree with that.
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I could see this situationally. An act of martyrdom could be considered suicide.
I would also say that it is not always, even in non-martyrdom cases, selfish. Someone who kills themselves not to be a burden to others is not selfish.
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Quote from: J. J. on October 04, 2008, 08:25:07 am
I could see this situationally. An act of martyrdom could be considered suicide.
I would also say that it is not always, even in non-martyrdom cases, selfish. Someone who kills themselves not to be a burden to others is not selfish.
I think calling someone a "burden" to someone is a horrible way to look at life.
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Quote from: StatesRights on October 04, 2008, 09:11:47 am
Quote from: J. J. on October 04, 2008, 08:25:07 am
I could see this situationally. An act of martyrdom could be considered suicide.
I would also say that it is not always, even in non-martyrdom cases, selfish. Someone who kills themselves not to be a burden to others is not selfish.
I think calling someone a "burden" to someone is a horrible way to look at life.
life is no fairytale, States.
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Quote from: © Coffee Shop Revolutionary on October 04, 2008, 09:54:43 am
life is no fairytale, States.
Duh, but that doesn't make that statement non-great. Of course, as of late, you've had a rather depressing view of things.
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J. J.
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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October 04, 2008, 12:02:44 pm »
Quote from: StatesRights on October 04, 2008, 09:11:47 am
Quote from: J. J. on October 04, 2008, 08:25:07 am
I could see this situationally. An act of martyrdom could be considered suicide.
I would also say that it is not always, even in non-martyrdom cases, selfish. Someone who kills themselves not to be a burden to others is not selfish.
I think calling someone a "burden" to someone is a horrible way to look at life.
There
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be a time when it will be me. I've signed the order and have the person to carry it out chosen. I've basically told everyone else to f*** off.
Terminate with extreme prejudice.
I'm not one to stand on ceremony.
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The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Option 4. I believe that suicide, while its a sin, is no more sinful than any other sin outside of blasphemy of God himself. It depends if the person had given their heart and life to Christ sometime in their life before he or she ended it.
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Quote from: © Coffee Shop Revolutionary on October 01, 2008, 10:28:12 pm
but what is 'eternal separation from God?' what makes it so bad?
Because humanity's relationship with God could be its only source of purpose in the universe. Of course you're a nihilist, so you've given up on the pursuit of meaning or purpose for humanity, but it's a question that troubles me constantly.
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Re: Does suicide end in eternal separation from God?
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Quote from: Preston on October 05, 2008, 10:35:55 pm
Quote from: © Coffee Shop Revolutionary on October 01, 2008, 10:28:12 pm
but what is 'eternal separation from God?' what makes it so bad?
Because humanity's relationship with God could be its only source of purpose in the universe. Of course you're a nihilist, so you've given up on the pursuit of meaning or purpose for humanity, but it's a question that troubles me constantly.
Why does humanity need a purpose in the universe? We can fool ourselves with faith into believing whatever suits us to mask the meaninglessness of existence, and therefore be bombarded with complications and implications arising from said faith. What is so wrong with believing that our existence is unexplainable and therefore living our lives simply in the best ways we're aware, seeking no fulfillment besides solutions to that which seems prudent now and in the long term? There is happiness in simplicity and contentedness in simply living to be - for whatever flicker of time we've been granted. Ultimately a search for a "deeper purpose" will arrive to something wholly simplistic, as such.
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