are you proud to be an American?

[War on Want]

And you don't need to be born in America to be an American.

Again, I don't see why I should be proud of things I'm not responsible for. I can see BRTD's point for once.

He has no point though. He takes pride in being a citizen of his city.

Except he had a responsibility in that and it was his choice to be here. Which is immigrants should be proud about America.

[Keystone Phil]

And you don't need to be born in America to be an American.

Again, I don't see why I should be proud of things I'm not responsible for. I can see BRTD's point for once.

He has no point though. He takes pride in being a citizen of his city.

Except he had a responsibility in that and it was his choice to be here. Which is immigrants should be proud about America.

And you mean to tell me that he wouldn't be proud of Minneapolis if he was born there? Get real.

[War on Want]

And you don't need to be born in America to be an American.

Again, I don't see why I should be proud of things I'm not responsible for. I can see BRTD's point for once.

He has no point though. He takes pride in being a citizen of his city.

Except he had a responsibility in that and it was his choice to be here. Which is immigrants should be proud about America.

And you mean to tell me that he wouldn't be proud of Minneapolis if he was born there? Get real.

I never said that. Besides it is one thing to be proud of a city and another to be proud of your country.

[opebo]

Obviously not.  Though I don't think I'm really to blame for it, my association with america does embarrass me a good deal.

[Keystone Phil]

Besides it is one thing to be proud of a city and another to be proud of your country.

Why? And it's certainly no different when you consider BRTD's definition (geographic area).

[War on Want]

Besides it is one thing to be proud of a city and another to be proud of your country.

Why? And it's certainly no different when you consider BRTD's definition (geographic area).

Do I really have to explain this? Your opinion of your home city is all about the residents who live their and their culture while this may differ with your country. So really being proud of his city has nothing to do with the geographic area of it but its culture and the people inside of it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm proud of my city because it has the things I want and it's a city, not a suburb. Nothing inherent about it simply being Minneapolis.

[Keystone Phil]

Your opinion of your home city is all about the residents who live their and their culture while this may differ with your country. So really being proud of his city has nothing to do with the geographic area of it but its culture and the people inside of it.

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And you can't have those feelings about your country? You're in way over your head, dude.

I'm proud of my city because it has the things I want and it's a city, not a suburb.

And that's why people are proud of America, too.

I love how it's silly to be proud of your country but it makes perfect sense to be proud of your city just because it's a city and not a suburb.

[exopolitician]

There's times when Im not and times that I am. Either way I don't go around waving flags in peoples faces and saying we are the best and most powerful country in the world...bow down please.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I am proud of my city, my state... and my country.  

Sure, it may be silly.. but hey, it's home.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The "I'm not an American" answer, I think.

But in a more general sense... I'm I proud to be British? No, I don't think so, it's a little artificial isn't it. Welsh? English? Hmm... I don't know. I certainly don't think "thank God that I'm Welsh and English", but all the same I do love my country, though I'm not entirely sure what "my country" is. In any case, it's more of a gentle emotional pull, no, tug, than a cheast-beating, flag-waving thing.

[War on Want]

Your opinion of your home city is all about the residents who live their and their culture while this may differ with your country. So really being proud of his city has nothing to do with the geographic area of it but its culture and the people inside of it.

And you can't have those feelings about your country? You're in way over your head, dude.

His city has a different culture and different people than the rest of the country.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Your opinion of your home city is all about the residents who live their and their culture while this may differ with your country. So really being proud of his city has nothing to do with the geographic area of it but its culture and the people inside of it.

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And you can't have those feelings about your country? You're in way over your head, dude.

I'm proud of my city because it has the things I want and it's a city, not a suburb.

And that's why people are proud of America, too.

I love how it's silly to be proud of your country but it makes perfect sense to be proud of your city just because it's a city and not a suburb.

People used to have more pride in their patch than in their (country won't do as the word was often used to mean "my patch" or whatever...) nation. Nothing strange about that at all.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

no. We are not reanonable. we are the richest country but yet we can't take care of peoples health care.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

It's kind of sad that the plurality of people on this forum aren't proud to be an American. Not surprising, though.

[The Dowager Mod]

Yes i am extremely proud to be an American, That's why i even took an oath to give my life to  defend America if needed.

[Sensei]

It seems a silly concept to be "proud" of something that you really had no say in. I am about as "proud" to be an American as I am "proud" to have brown hair.

[Keystone Phil]

Your opinion of your home city is all about the residents who live their and their culture while this may differ with your country. So really being proud of his city has nothing to do with the geographic area of it but its culture and the people inside of it.

And you can't have those feelings about your country? You're in way over your head, dude.

His city has a different culture and different people than the rest of the country.

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But his objection is not that he disagrees with American culture or people; it's that he doesn't take pride in geographic areas. A city is also a geographic area.

Your opinion of your home city is all about the residents who live their and their culture while this may differ with your country. So really being proud of his city has nothing to do with the geographic area of it but its culture and the people inside of it.

...

And you can't have those feelings about your country? You're in way over your head, dude.

I'm proud of my city because it has the things I want and it's a city, not a suburb.

And that's why people are proud of America, too.

I love how it's silly to be proud of your country but it makes perfect sense to be proud of your city just because it's a city and not a suburb.

People used to have more pride in their patch than in their (country won't do as the word was often used to mean "my patch" or whatever...) nation. Nothing strange about that at all.

That's not what I'm saying so don't twist what I'm saying. I understand that that has been the case. You're talking to someone with an Italian background.

I'm pointing out that his logic is flawed. A lot of people here are laughing off this idea of taking pride in their country because it's just geographically based or because it isn't of their choosing. However, they argue that you can take pride in your city because of its culture. Countries don't have culture? Countries are just geographically based? Countries aren't sometimes chosen? The logic is flawed. If BRTD doesn't take pride in being an American because of what it is to be an American, fine. That wasn't his argument though.

[dead0man]

Yes, of course.  She makes me sick sometimes too, but the things right with America are still stronger than the things wrong.

[Smid]

I'm not American, and I'm proud to be an Australian, however I am proud of what America is, the ideals America stands for and what America has achieved. I think that Americans have a right to be proud of their country, indeed, not just a right to feel proud but can be justifiably proud.

[The Mikado]

Of course.

However, I can't stand that Lee Greenwood song, so I winced when Sarah Palin said, "and I'm proud to be an American...

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm happy to be American, sure. Not proud, though.

[memphis]

I am very proud of America. I am very fortunate to live here. The question is worded in a manner that seems to ask if I am proud of myself for having been born here, which I am not because I had no control over this condition.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But his objection is not that he disagrees with American culture or people; it's that he doesn't take pride in geographic areas. A city is also a geographic area.

An argument could be made that city's are "things" in a way that nation states aren't, that they actually have an existence independent of the whims of boundary-drawers. Though BRTD likes to define cities by their official boundaries and nowt else, so maybe not.

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I wasn't actually attack you there...

[Ban my account ffs!]

Of course.

However, I can't stand that Lee Greenwood song, so I winced when Sarah Palin said, "and I'm proud to be an American...

The only good line in that song is

"from the lakes of Minnesota..."

then it's just boring trash