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« on: October 04, 2008, 09:11:15 PM »

GOP, Democrats battle in Pa. over voter dress code

By MARTHA RAFFAELE, Associated Press Writer Sat Oct 4, 10:01 AM ET

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Sue Nace thought election volunteers were joking when they told her she would have to remove her T-shirt to vote in the presidential primary last spring.

But it was no laughing matter to the poll workers-turned-fashion police, who said Nace's Obama shirt was inappropriate electioneering — and made her cover the writing before casting a ballot.

Now, a political fight over what voters can wear to the polls is headed to court in Pennsylvania — with the Republican Party favoring a dress code and Democrats opposed.

To the GOP, the lack of rules could open the door to all kinds of questionable displays — even, one Republican leader suggested, something as outlandish as a musical hat.

To the Democrats, voters should be free to express themselves. They fear a dress code could scare away some new voters.

The political showdown was triggered by a Pennsylvania Department of State memo advising counties last month that voters' attire doesn't matter as long as the "voter takes no additional action to attempt to influence other voters."

Because the memo is not legally binding, some counties have kept past restrictions on clothing and political buttons.

But two Pittsburgh-area elections officials sued to have the memo rescinded. Their lawsuit warned that if the memo stands, "nothing would prevent a partisan group from synchronizing a battalion of like-minded individuals ... to descend on a polling place, presenting a domineering, united front, certain to dissuade the average citizen who may privately hold different beliefs."

This fight over the interpretation of a state law designed to shield the polls from partisan electioneering could determine which presidential candidate's supporters might be turned away from the polls in this battleground state.

Democrats have benefited from a surge in voter registration this year, with young adults 18-24 making up the largest group of new registrants, according to statistics from March 30 to Sept. 8. A poll released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University showed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama pulling 15 percentage points ahead of Republican John McCain in the state.

State Democratic Party Chairman T.J. Rooney said GOP support for the dress code is a partisan effort to scare away new voters.

"To go (to the polls) and engage in an expression of democracy and then be accosted by the fashion police is a form of voter intimidation," he said.

The state Republican Party says Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell's administration crafted a partisan memo that would open the door to abuses.

"The first thing would be a button or a shirt, and maybe the next thing would be a musical hat," said GOP chairman Robert Gleason, who called a news conference in support of dress codes.

Douglas Hill, head of Pennsylvania's association of county commissioners, believes the state's 67 counties are now evenly split on the question. Before the memo, counties leaned toward banning politically polarizing clothing and buttons because "they didn't want to get into fine-line disputes," he said.

Nace, a 44-year-old Obama supporter, hopes the state's recommendation will stand so she can vote Nov. 4 while wearing her political leanings on her sleeve.

"Especially with this election, for some reason it feels very personal to me," she said. "Even when I see another car with a bumper sticker on it, it's like, 'Yeah, they get it.'"

During the April 22 primary, Nace was allowed into the voting booth in York County only after she rolled up her Obama T-shirt to hide the writing. After the state memo came out, York County rescinded its ban.

At least four states — Maine, Montana, Vermont and Kansas_ explicitly prohibit wearing campaign buttons, stickers and badges inside polling places, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures and state officials.

In Kentucky, elections officials last month told poll workers they should admit voters decked out in campaign apparel, after e-mails circulated warning that Obama supporters would be turned away if they wore shirts and pins.

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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 09:12:54 PM »

We have a dress code. I think its the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 09:13:40 PM »

This is not a hard rule to enforce and the parties are elevating it to something more than it is.

You ask a voter to remove the article.  If they can't, try turning it inside out.  If that doesn't work and it's not super-obstructive, let them vote but not lollygag.  Obnoxious, loud, obvious electioneering will warrant a request to leave and a police call if necessary.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2008, 09:14:43 PM »

To the GOP, the lack of rules could open the door to all kinds of questionable displays — even, one Republican leader suggested, something as outlandish as a musical hat.

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 09:16:31 PM »

I can sort of understand the campaign shirt thing if you're also going to ban buttons and whatnot, but nothing else. Why a person couldn't vote in a musical hat (whatever that is) is beyond me. Sadly soon some people will probably be pushing for requiring that you vote in a suit and tie.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 09:18:41 PM »

I can sort of understand the campaign shirt thing if you're also going to ban buttons and whatnot, but nothing else. Why a person couldn't vote in a musical hat (whatever that is) is beyond me. Sadly soon some people will probably be pushing for requiring that you vote in a suit and tie.

I assume that means a musical hat that sings something political, or makes a lot of noise, or something.

It would be annoying to anyone who was trying to concentrate.  It's good to clarify these rules beforehand, but outright banning people in political shirts is stupid stupid stupid.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 09:21:07 PM »

Musical hats? The horror!

All I can think of is Harry Potter.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 09:31:31 PM »

I remember in 2004 Campaign hats, shirts and buttons were banned from the polls here.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 09:36:37 PM »

The Allegheny County Chief Executive says voters can wear what they want because they're only there a few minutes and it's not considered campaigning inside the voting area, and nothing is going to be done about it here.....
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 09:44:31 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2008, 09:48:55 PM by Alcon »

The Allegheny County Chief Executive says voters can wear what they want because they're only there a few minutes and it's not considered campaigning inside the voting area, and nothing is going to be done about it here.....

Which is, frankly, the right thing to do, to me.

I think a lot of these activist folks are just getting excited about voting, and go a little overboard.  Most of them are crestfallen and apologetic, or off-put but understanding, when they're told it's not kosher.  I feel bad saying so in the minor cases because it's pretty much telling the least cynical ones, "yeah, everything people say about the process is true, take off your button, schlub."

There are a few people who come in decked out just to be dicks (in our case, only the local state representative, haha) but those people are such a small minority...and never help their own cause.

That's my two cents, at least.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2008, 09:46:57 PM »

It is ludicrous. I wore a Nixon button when I voted in a 95% McGovern precinct, next to the one Obama lives in now (things go down market in a hurry when you go southeast from his pad), just because.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 09:48:23 PM »

I want to know what idiot inside the voting area says "Ah, that guy is wearing an OBIDEN 08 t-shirt.....F McCain/Palin, I'm for Obama now"

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2008, 09:49:25 PM »

I want to know what idiot inside the voting area says "Ah, that guy is wearing an OBIDEN 08 t-shirt.....F McCain/Palin, I'm for Obama now"

On the other hand, Election Day is pretty much the best day you could wear an Obama (or McCain) t-shirt...
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2008, 09:50:50 PM »

Just more attempts by the Republicans to keep poors away from the polls.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2008, 10:06:32 PM »

I can sort of understand the campaign shirt thing if you're also going to ban buttons and whatnot, but nothing else. Why a person couldn't vote in a musical hat (whatever that is) is beyond me. Sadly soon some people will probably be pushing for requiring that you vote in a suit and tie.
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 lol on musical hat though. wtf is that?
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 10:18:58 PM »

So long as the person comes in, votes, and leaves, I see no problem with a t-shirt or other ordinary types of political clothing.

Of course, you could also try negative campaigning with clothing.

I can just see some right-wing loonies sending women dressed in hijabs with a Vote Hussein Obama message in a Arabic looking script to the polls.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 10:48:28 PM »

I think this is appropriate for anyone working the table (the people with the poll books, judge of election, etc.). I remember one woman coming to my polling place in 2004 and she had a Kerry pin on and worked the table for awhile. I don't know who she was since the judge of elections handles who works (if no one from the precinct steps up).  I think it was inappropriate to allow her there with that on but I didn't care much. My precinct is very lax when it comes to enforcing this type of stuff. Though they have had to get their act together at the end of the night (when we're printing out the results).
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 01:45:06 AM »

Where can purchase a musical hat?
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 03:26:15 AM »

As long as there is a secret ballot (where people don't feel pressured that the crowd of supporters of the other side will know how votes were cast because the poll workers are professional and the polling booths are private), I would expect that having all of the Obamabots in full regalia would intensify soft support for McCain in the form of straight ticket voting, a sort of circling the wagons against the presence of the out-group.
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2008, 04:21:26 AM »

I can sort of understand the campaign shirt thing if you're also going to ban buttons and whatnot, but nothing else. Why a person couldn't vote in a musical hat (whatever that is) is beyond me. Sadly soon some people will probably be pushing for requiring that you vote in a suit and tie.
They used to do that in seats where the Socialists ran candidates in pre-WWI Spain.
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