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CARLHAYDEN
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« on: September 13, 2004, 10:02:51 PM »

How is it the most successful when nothing has been achieved yet?

We achieved our mission, to forcibly disarm Saddam Hussein. I didn't agree with this war, but Bush did what he set out to do.

What about how we were going to spread democracy to the people of Iraq?  That worked out real well.

The mission may be achieved but it has not yet, so it's silly to call it the most effective war in American history.

Boss,

Recently you seem to be going a little off the tracks.

First, the Iraq action has already been a qualified sucess.  Ask the Libyans.

Second, Al Queda has lost a lot of their people in Iraq, and antagonized a lot of personnel in Iraq.

Third, notice how the various islamic states have calmed down since the current government was installed a couple of months ago.

Fourth, while there are those who want the United States to cut and run, it isn't going to happen.

If you bother to look below the surface, there are only three shrinking groups not reconciled to the new government (the foreign fighters of Al Queda, the Fedayeen, and a small number of Shiites).

The Iraqi government is getting its act together.

The average Iraqi has had enough with the terrorists.

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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 06:54:59 AM »

How is it the most successful when nothing has been achieved yet?

We achieved our mission, to forcibly disarm Saddam Hussein. I didn't agree with this war, but Bush did what he set out to do.

What about how we were going to spread democracy to the people of Iraq?  That worked out real well.

The mission may be achieved but it has not yet, so it's silly to call it the most effective war in American history.

Boss,

Recently you seem to be going a little off the tracks.

First, the Iraq action has already been a qualified sucess.  Ask the Libyans.

Second, Al Queda has lost a lot of their people in Iraq, and antagonized a lot of personnel in Iraq.

Third, notice how the various islamic states have calmed down since the current government was installed a couple of months ago.

Fourth, while there are those who want the United States to cut and run, it isn't going to happen.

If you bother to look below the surface, there are only three shrinking groups not reconciled to the new government (the foreign fighters of Al Queda, the Fedayeen, and a small number of Shiites).

The Iraqi government is getting its act together.

The average Iraqi has had enough with the terrorists.



First, North Korea is arming nukes.

Second, this war has increased antiamericanism in the world.

Thrid, dictatorships like Egypt are deteriorating their human rights record. Mubarack is using torture tacticts inspired by Abu Ghraib.

Fourth, we cannot cut and run but we can establish democracy even f it means Islamic rule.

If you bother to look below the surface, you will see that the majorty of Iraqis sympathise with the insurgants, if they don't actively support them.

The Iraqi government is allowing foreigners run the country and is therefore not getting its act together.

The average Iraqi has had enough with puppet regimes.

Well, at least your consistent.  Consistently WRONG!

First, North Korea was producing nucleqar warheads under Clinton and now they feel that people like you will make sure that they are immune.  

Second, the war has NOT increased antiAmericanism.  People like you have always hated the United States.  

Third, if you think that countries like Egypt are suddenly becoming more brutal, you really need to stop doing the drugs (or perhaps start taking your medicine).

Fourth, not particulary interested in establishing a democracy in Iraq, just interested in their being a government which doesn't support terrorism or antiamericanism.

Fifth, the Iraqi people do NOT support the terrorists.  While it is clear where you sympathies lie!

Sixth, the US forces repeatedly stopped offensives against Sadr due to the fact that the Iraqi government asked us to.  In short, they are in charge.
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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 06:29:14 PM »

How is it the most successful when nothing has been achieved yet?

We achieved our mission, to forcibly disarm Saddam Hussein. I didn't agree with this war, but Bush did what he set out to do.

What about how we were going to spread democracy to the people of Iraq?  That worked out real well.

The mission may be achieved but it has not yet, so it's silly to call it the most effective war in American history.
Al Queda has lost a lot of their people in Iraq, and antagonized a lot of personnel in Iraq.
But they have killed lot of your troops who they couldn't kill without war on Iraq.

Sorry, but you have to remember the number of deaths that would have resulted had the United States failed to act.
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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2004, 08:06:07 PM »

Actually, you just haven't heard about the developments with respect to North Korea.

One of the most important is that Japan is increasing its defense budget.
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