The word "Hispanic"

[Hatman 🍁]

general question re: hispanics

If Hispanic is not a race, why is there a common skin color of many Hispanics?

Hispanic is a culture and not a race.

You can be White, Native American, Black and even Asian (yes I know a Chinese Mexican with roots in Mexicali) and be Hispanic.  I'v grown up in Miami aka Democratic Cuba and in Fresno aka First World Mexico.

An example for a country where each ethnicity predominates except Asians..

White - Argentina
Native American - Bolivia
Black - Dominican Republic

Now here's a question, would a third generation Mexican-American in Central California who is a Protestant and can't speak Spanish be considered an Hispanic?

Is his last name "Rodriguez", "Sanchez" or "Lopez"?

[phk]

general question re: hispanics

If Hispanic is not a race, why is there a common skin color of many Hispanics?

Hispanic is a culture and not a race.

You can be White, Native American, Black and even Asian (yes I know a Chinese Mexican with roots in Mexicali) and be Hispanic.  I'v grown up in Miami aka Democratic Cuba and in Fresno aka First World Mexico.

An example for a country where each ethnicity predominates except Asians..

White - Argentina
Native American - Bolivia
Black - Dominican Republic

Now here's a question, would a third generation Mexican-American in Central California who is a Protestant and can't speak Spanish be considered an Hispanic?

Is his last name "Rodriguez", "Sanchez" or "Lopez"?

To the Asian or the Mexican-American?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Think of it this way, Gully: over in Ireland, your religion matters.  A lot.  Or, at least, it did back in the day.  But when Irish immigrants came to here, they tended to form one united, "Irish-American" bloc.  The religious divisions that were salient over in Ireland suddenly lost their meaning in the United States,

This isn't really true, at least initially, though it'd be nice if it were. It's more that Prods moved to America at different times and to different places than Taigs.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Think of it this way, Gully: over in Ireland, your religion matters.  A lot.  Or, at least, it did back in the day.  But when Irish immigrants came to here, they tended to form one united, "Irish-American" bloc.  The religious divisions that were salient over in Ireland suddenly lost their meaning in the United States,

This isn't really true, at least initially, though it'd be nice if it were. It's more that Prods moved to America at different times and to different places than Taigs.

Correct. Look at the so called "Ulster (ie. Irish Presbytarian) Scots", if you haven't noticed they tend vote differently for Irish (ie. Catholic) Americans who migrate to the Big Cities and the East Coast. I don't really know much however about any "Protestant" or Anglo-Irish (ie. Episcopalian) migration to the US, probably because it was alot smaller. Either way, none of these groups consider themselves the same when in the United States.

Not that I think you don't have a point; whenever people start claiming its ethnic groups or something that is 'real' like their being an Hispanic Identity (Sorry to go all sociologically here) does it get annoying.

general question re: hispanics

If Hispanic is not a race, why is there a common skin color of many Hispanics?

There's Isn't. Mexicans by and large tend to Mesticos, ie. a various stages of interbreeding between Native Americans and Spanish Settlers. Puerto Ricans on the other hand are much darker due to the large African Slave population which once existed on the island (and the much smaller proportion of surviving native Americans.) Racial characteristics of each of the nations differed due to its historical experience. Too even then you could argue that terms like "Europeans", "Black Africans" and "Native Americans" are even then too broad. Especially the last of those.

[Cubby]

I think its a useful term. I find the "Hispanics may be of any race" qualifier confusing when reading census data, but I understand why its necessary.

I think Latino is a more troublesome term. And Hispanic is certainly an improvement over "Chicano", which was used a lot in the 60's and 70's.

[Platypus]

All "Hispanic" means is a person is from a Spanish-speaking country.  Technically, we're already all Hispanic seeing as Spanish is a major language spoken in the United States and there is no official language.  Basically, in the United States it means you are the descendant of someone from another Spanish-speaking country.  So it can be useful, but it's nonsensical in reality.

Pretty much.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Gully Foyle, you really are from Ireland right? If you are, you probably have no idea what you're talking about. Hispanic means something in the US, so that's all. It means something period.

This is one of the most underrated BEST posts in forum history.

[Goldwater]

Gully Foyle, you really are from Ireland right? If you are, you probably have no idea what you're talking about. Hispanic means something in the US, so that's all. It means something period.

This is one of the most underrated BEST posts in forum history.

No, no it's not.

[TheSaint250]

What was the point of this thread getting revived?

[Goldwater]

What was the point of this thread getting revived?

BRTD's obsessive hard-on for an event that happened on this forum almost 10 years ago.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

While I would not have put it as urgently or as dramatically now - I was only twenty at the time and in undergrad - I stand by the principle of the vast majority of things I said in this thread. And they are still important.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Damn gully you got wrecked son

[they don't love you like i love you]

What was the point of this thread getting revived?

BRTD's obsessive hard-on for an event that happened on this forum almost 10 years ago.

It wasn't this event. What Gully said back then that I can't forgive him for was the stuff about Ralph Nader and the Green and Democratic Parties, and his inane and now proven false prediction that I'd become a Republican.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

BRTD, you are a Republican.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Even though I've never voted for one in my life?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

You are familiar with the "Jeremy Corbyn is the Prime Minister" meme?

You are a Republican in the exact same fashion.

[fhtagn]

I prefer to be called Hispanic over "Latino."

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

There was really no point in reviving a decade old thread.

[TDAS04]

If we're strictly talking about people with Spanish-speaking heritage, "Hispanic" makes more sense than "Latino".  "Latino" should at least include Brazilians.  If "Latino" is the term, it could include anyone descended form Romance-spaking people, or maybe just those with Latin American heritage (thus, excluding Spaniards along with Portuguese, Romanians, etc.)

[Higgins]

It's too vast a label, and shouldn't be counted as a separate race. If Hispanics are a separate race, so are Southern Europeans.

[they don't love you like i love you]

It's too vast a label, and shouldn't be counted as a separate race. If Hispanics are a separate race, so are Southern Europeans.

But Hispanic isn't a separate race on the Census.