Badnarik Interview- Thoughts?

[DA]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

[frenger]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

Of course he is an extremist. He wanted to make the senate sit through his lectures on the constitution, and blew up the UN building. It's not that I like the UN, but the US government could use the building for other purposes.
But really, as I've benn saying from all this time, Russo was the ideal candidate, but the Libertarians allways for for the Ivory Tower intelectuals over the electable people.

[DA]

The wierd thing is, he didn't seem that way to me in things he wrote (except for the 2nd amendment issue, he foams at the mouth over that baby).

[ilikeverin]

Libertarians are automatically extremists, until proven otherwise.  You, however, have taken a big step in the 'otherwise' direction by calling Badnarik an extremist

[frenger]

Libertarians are automatically extremists, until proven otherwise.  You, however, have taken a big step in the 'otherwise' direction by calling Badnarik an extremist

Yea, Libertarians are extremists. Yet libertarians aren't.

[ilikeverin]

Libertarians are automatically extremists, until proven otherwise.  You, however, have taken a big step in the 'otherwise' direction by calling Badnarik an extremist

Yea, Libertarians are extremists. Yet libertarians aren't.

You're a Libertarian in my mind

[frenger]

Libertarians are automatically extremists, until proven otherwise.  You, however, have taken a big step in the 'otherwise' direction by calling Badnarik an extremist

Yea, Libertarians are extremists. Yet libertarians aren't.

You're a Libertarian in my mind

Do you think Ron Paul is an extremist?

[David S]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

I listened to part of it. What in particular bothered you about it?
In my opinion it was not one of his better performances because he seemed to be distracted and not as clear as he sometimes is. But I didn't hear anything that sounded extreme unless you believe that Libertarian philosophy ( belief in the constitution) is extreme.

[WalterMitty]

Libertarians are automatically extremists, until proven otherwise.  You, however, have taken a big step in the 'otherwise' direction by calling Badnarik an extremist

Yea, Libertarians are extremists. Yet libertarians aren't.

You're a Libertarian in my mind

Do you think Ron Paul is an extremist?

what is the libertarian love affair with ron paul?

the guy couldnt get anywhere as a lib so he becomes a goper and gets elected to congress.  

i thought true libertarians support third party activity.  ron paul is a memeber of the 'if you cant beat them...join them' club

[IDS Judicial Overlord John Dibble]

Libertarians are automatically extremists, until proven otherwise.  You, however, have taken a big step in the 'otherwise' direction by calling Badnarik an extremist

Yea, Libertarians are extremists. Yet libertarians aren't.

You're a Libertarian in my mind

Do you think Ron Paul is an extremist?

what is the libertarian love affair with ron paul?

the guy couldnt get anywhere as a lib so he becomes a goper and gets elected to congress.  

i thought true libertarians support third party activity.  ron paul is a memeber of the 'if you cant beat them...join them' club

Well, consider this - regardless of the fact that he's in the wrong party, he's very libertarian in his views, so as a Congressman you could say he's a surrogate Libertarian. Really, I don't care who implements libertarian policy, just so long as it gets implemented.

There's a saying I've heard a few times - If Republicans would act like Republicans then libertarians would vote for them.

[Brambila]

Exactly why I'm not voting Libertarian.

[IDS Judicial Overlord John Dibble]

Exactly why I'm not voting Libertarian.

Because some gays who believe in gun rights endorse him? I despise that logic - I'm not voting for Kerry, but it has nothing to do with a number of despots, or at least very questionable people, saying they prefer him to Bush.

[Felix]

There are a couple of people here at ND that have fallen in love with Badnarik. Thankfully there are only a couple. I can't stand libertarianism.

[ilikeverin]

There are a couple of people here at ND that have fallen in love with Badnarik. Thankfully there are only a couple. I can't stand libertarianism.

Me neither.  It must be a Hoosier thing

[frenger]

There are a couple of people here at ND that have fallen in love with Badnarik. Thankfully there are only a couple. I can't stand libertarianism.

Me neither.  It must be a Hoosier thing

*cough* *cough* Kenn Gividen *cough* best gubernatorial candidate the Libertarians have in years¨*cough* *cough*

[DA]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

I listened to part of it. What in particular bothered you about it?
In my opinion it was not one of his better performances because he seemed to be distracted and not as clear as he sometimes is. But I didn't hear anything that sounded extreme unless you believe that Libertarian philosophy ( belief in the constitution) is extreme.

It's hard to put my finger on it a day later, but there definately were a few things there. I'll agree that he seemed off because so did the host of the show. That station is usually top notch.

[DA]

There are a couple of people here at ND that have fallen in love with Badnarik. Thankfully there are only a couple. I can't stand libertarianism.

So, you prefer govt. control over your life?

[David S]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

I listened to part of it. What in particular bothered you about it?
In my opinion it was not one of his better performances because he seemed to be distracted and not as clear as he sometimes is. But I didn't hear anything that sounded extreme unless you believe that Libertarian philosophy ( belief in the constitution) is extreme.

It's hard to put my finger on it a day later, but there definately were a few things there. I'll agree that he seemed off because so did the host of the show. That station is usually top notch.

Sometimes Michael Badnarik is very impressive and sometimes he's not. He was very good at the convention, but somedays he seems clumsy. Bush was like that before too, although he is a better speaker now than when he was first elected.
I think Badnarik was surprised to win the nomination and now feels obligated to put his heart and soul into  the campaign. He might be pushing a little too hard.

[A18]

If I was asked to run a Libertarian presidential campaign, I'd say you need $500 million or there's nothing I can do for you. People need to feel like your a serious candidate--and the way you do that is by making significant ad buys, that sound just like the Reps and Dems (Badnarik's sound like a mini-infommercial). That would also result in a lot more serious media coverage.

But you can't run a campaign without the money. If the Libs really want to ever win a presidential election, they're going to have to get 2 million supporters who are willing to donate $100-200.

The better idea, of course, is to worry about gubernatorial races, where you don't have to make ad buys in 13 states.

[DA]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

I listened to part of it. What in particular bothered you about it?
In my opinion it was not one of his better performances because he seemed to be distracted and not as clear as he sometimes is. But I didn't hear anything that sounded extreme unless you believe that Libertarian philosophy ( belief in the constitution) is extreme.

It's hard to put my finger on it a day later, but there definately were a few things there. I'll agree that he seemed off because so did the host of the show. That station is usually top notch.

Sometimes Michael Badnarik is very impressive and sometimes he's not. He was very good at the convention, but somedays he seems clumsy. Bush was like that before too, although he is a better speaker now than when he was first elected.
I think Badnarik was surprised to win the nomination and now feels obligated to put his heart and soul into  the campaign. He might be pushing a little too hard.

Heart and sole my foot and crotch! I finally listen to the debate between he and Cobb- he totally prewrote everything! Watch it (CSPAN), Cobb wrote down the questions when they were asked so that he could address each part, Badnarik just played a tape and moved his lips. And it was the same stuff he tried to work into the "interview." That's why it seemsed off, he was forcing his square pegged answers into round holed questions. He did a much better job of pulling of improvisation at the debate though. If it wern't for their "few (major) disagreements" (i.e, Cobbs views were like Badnariks on the major disagreement issues) then I'd vote Cobb. A vote for Cobb shows the main parties we want socialism (not saying that he's extremely socialist or anything, just that it's his most noticable feature) whereas a vote for Badnarik shows we want freedom, to boil it down.

[DA]

If I was asked to run a Libertarian presidential campaign, I'd say you need $500 million or there's nothing I can do for you. People need to feel like your a serious candidate--and the way you do that is by making significant ad buys, that sound just like the Reps and Dems (Badnarik's sound like a mini-infommercial). That would also result in a lot more serious media coverage.

But you can't run a campaign without the money. If the Libs really want to ever win a presidential election, they're going to have to get 2 million supporters who are willing to donate $100-200.

The better idea, of course, is to worry about gubernatorial races, where you don't have to make ad buys in 13 states.

Hah, look at how much money the Reform Party had. Look how much Nader spent last time... ok, good point. We need money. I don't think we can screw up as much as the RP.
I think local elections are what most Libs are banking on. Being a major party in WA got us a bunch of free publicity this year. Long story short the whole state had to use a new primary by court order and the state department wanted to make sure people didn't get confused and invalidate their votes so a bunch of tv ads, mail fliers, bus ads, etc were issued explaining that you had to choose either Democrate, Republican, or Libertarian this year. That got our name in everyones head and our symbol to boot.

[dubhdara]

I recently listened to Badnarik's constitutional class at:

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=election_2004&collectionid=Michael_Badnarik

After sitting through 7 hours (not all in one go) I feel he is certainly a man who understands the Constitution and freedom very well.

As for extremism? Well, that is so relative isn't it? I mean many things which are very good and very true are considered extremist, as are things which are very bad and false.

One can allow a little "foaming at the mouth" in those who have taken the time and made the effort to learn just what is going on in the world today, and those forces seeking to rob us of our liberties.

If I were an American I would vote for someone like Badnarik or Peroutka *never* Bush or Kerry who both uphold and promote policies which lessen freedom.

[IDS Judicial Overlord John Dibble]

I recently listened to Badnarik's constitutional class at:

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=election_2004&collectionid=Michael_Badnarik

After sitting through 7 hours (not all in one go) I feel he is certainly a man who understands the Constitution and freedom very well.

As for extremism? Well, that is so relative isn't it? I mean many things which are very good and very true are considered extremist, as are things which are very bad and false.

One can allow a little "foaming at the mouth" in those who have taken the time and made the effort to learn just what is going on in the world today, and those forces seeking to rob us of our liberties.

If I were an American I would vote for someone like Badnarik or Peroutka *never* Bush or Kerry who both uphold and promote policies which lessen freedom.

Welcome to the forum!


And you make a good point about extremism. Would you rather have someone who is moderately dedicated to defending your liberty or someone who is extremely dedicated to defending your liberty?

Feel free to move to the U.S. - we need more like you.

[David S]

I recently listened to Badnarik's constitutional class at:

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=election_2004&collectionid=Michael_Badnarik

After sitting through 7 hours (not all in one go) I feel he is certainly a man who understands the Constitution and freedom very well.

As for extremism? Well, that is so relative isn't it? I mean many things which are very good and very true are considered extremist, as are things which are very bad and false.

One can allow a little "foaming at the mouth" in those who have taken the time and made the effort to learn just what is going on in the world today, and those forces seeking to rob us of our liberties.

If I were an American I would vote for someone like Badnarik or Peroutka *never* Bush or Kerry who both uphold and promote policies which lessen freedom.

Wow thats the most libertarian comment I've heard from a UK citizen! Its very refreshing to hear.  Are there any more left like you?
I agree with John. We could use you in the U.S.

[David S]

So, I've been bad in the last couple of months and I havn't been listening to my NPR station (or any station for that matter). In that absence I missed this interview: http://www.kuow.org/weekday.asp?Archive=08-16 . I just finished listening to it and I think MB made himself sound kind of like an ass. And it made me feel more like he is an extreamist. Extremists don't get votes. Hrmm.. anywya.. thoughts?

Final comment, I agree with the guy who is concerned about the environment.

I listened to part of it. What in particular bothered you about it?
In my opinion it was not one of his better performances because he seemed to be distracted and not as clear as he sometimes is. But I didn't hear anything that sounded extreme unless you believe that Libertarian philosophy ( belief in the constitution) is extreme.

It's hard to put my finger on it a day later, but there definately were a few things there. I'll agree that he seemed off because so did the host of the show. That station is usually top notch.

Sometimes Michael Badnarik is very impressive and sometimes he's not. He was very good at the convention, but somedays he seems clumsy. Bush was like that before too, although he is a better speaker now than when he was first elected.
I think Badnarik was surprised to win the nomination and now feels obligated to put his heart and soul into  the campaign. He might be pushing a little too hard.

Heart and sole my foot and crotch! I finally listen to the debate between he and Cobb- he totally prewrote everything! Watch it (CSPAN), Cobb wrote down the questions when they were asked so that he could address each part, Badnarik just played a tape and moved his lips. And it was the same stuff he tried to work into the "interview." That's why it seemsed off, he was forcing his square pegged answers into round holed questions. He did a much better job of pulling of improvisation at the debate though. If it wern't for their "few (major) disagreements" (i.e, Cobbs views were like Badnariks on the major disagreement issues) then I'd vote Cobb. A vote for Cobb shows the main parties we want socialism (not saying that he's extremely socialist or anything, just that it's his most noticable feature) whereas a vote for Badnarik shows we want freedom, to boil it down.

OK my friend I have to disagree with you. Badnarik was campaigning for many months before the convention. He had virtually nothing in the way of campaign contributions and was living out of his car and without income. At the convention when Gary Nolan threw his support behind Michael he said no one had worked harder than Michael. Take a look at his calendar and you can tell he's been very busy. As I understand it he's getting by on just 4 hours sleep. Even Slick Willie said he needed 6.

Michael is not as polished a speaker as David Cobb, who BTW was excellent in the debate. But do you want a polished speaker or someone who is devoted to the constitution?