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« on: October 23, 2008, 01:15:03 pm »
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Obama - 53
McCain - 41

800 adults were interviewed 10/21/08 and 10/22/08. Of them, 716 were registered to vote. Of them, 620 were determined by SurveyUSA to be likely to vote in the 11/04/08 general election. The McCain campaign may believe that it can only win the White House if it wins PA, and cannot win the White House if it loses PA. The state's 21 electoral votes have a prominence that is possibly greater than in any previous election.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=e72fd556-4693-4af0-ac74-e2b4d2c8ea27
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2008, 01:16:39 pm »
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kind of hard for McCain's plan to work the way things are going here...
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2008, 01:17:05 pm »
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At the rate McCain is gaining, he'll probably overtake Obama in February 2009 ...
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 01:20:37 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 01:21:37 pm »
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Karl Rove says Obama is only up by 2%! I believe him!
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 01:22:11 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

don't forget the bradley effect, BRTD.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 01:22:36 pm »
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McCainomentum! It's blatanly obvious. Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008, 02:15:06 pm »
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Karl Rove says Obama is only up by 2%! I believe him!

I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 02:17:46 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008, 02:27:12 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

Honestly guys, this is what McCain has to work with.  I don't think he's under the hidden delusion that he has a very strong shot at the state.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2008, 02:30:28 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

I though that was a supposedly leaked Obama poll?  Do you have a link?
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2008, 02:32:20 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

Honestly guys, this is what McCain has to work with.  I don't think he's under the hidden delusion that he has a very strong shot at the state.

Lunar, what part of "I don't believe Rove," and "I think Obama carries PA," are you having a problem with?  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2008, 02:35:16 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

Honestly guys, this is what McCain has to work with.  I don't think he's under the hidden delusion that he has a very strong shot at the state.

Lunar, what part of "I don't believe Rove," and "I think Obama carries PA," are you having a problem with?  Smiley

I do believe Rove though.  I think PA is about 8% and Obama is 5-7% ahead nationally, like Rove said.  I think McCain is relying on PA as his central strategy though (so we disagree there).  I mean, Christ, today the RNC announced they are cuttnig their McCain ads from Colorado, and they're the rich guys!

Early voting is killing McCain there
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 02:52:34 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

I thought he just said "achievable single digits" of course he did say he had "the math" that Republicans were going to hold the house and senate in 2006.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2008, 02:53:57 pm »
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How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie rolls center of a toostie pop?...

Err...how many polls does it take until McCain gets the picture?
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2008, 11:49:08 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

LOL

And he keeps going with this. I've only spoken to two Dems for McCain? You are too clueless, pal.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2008, 11:55:10 pm »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

LOL

And he keeps going with this. I've only spoken to two Dems for McCain? You are too clueless, pal.

It doesn't matter how many it is, it's anecdotal evidence, and anecdotal evidence is never ever valid.
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2008, 12:00:38 am »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

LOL

And he keeps going with this. I've only spoken to two Dems for McCain? You are too clueless, pal.

It doesn't matter how many it is, it's anecdotal evidence, and anecdotal evidence is never ever valid.

Except I've observed the Democratic ground game, know people in their local organization, know the general feelings of people around and have been backed up by these people/local Democratic leaders/local media but that still means nothing.

Meanwhile, everyone else here can point out some "brilliant" article saying that Indiana is in play and that's the gold standard.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2008, 12:26:49 am »
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Forget this poll. The important thing is the two Democrats I talked to who said they're voting McCain. Anecdotal evidence trumps all!

LOL

And he keeps going with this. I've only spoken to two Dems for McCain? You are too clueless, pal.

It doesn't matter how many it is, it's anecdotal evidence, and anecdotal evidence is never ever valid.

Except I've observed the Democratic ground game, know people in their local organization, know the general feelings of people around and have been backed up by these people/local Democratic leaders/local media but that still means nothing.

Meanwhile, everyone else here can point out some "brilliant" article saying that Indiana is in play and that's the gold standard.

The polling indicates that Indiana is in play.
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2008, 09:32:46 am »
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Republican 41% (35%): McCain 73% (76%); Obama 22% (19%)

Democrat 52% (54%): McCain 18% (18%); Obama 78% (79%)

Independent 6% (10%): McCain 33% (35%); Obama 54% (53%)

Conservative 31% (25%): McCain 75% (81%); Obama 19% (15%)

Moderate 44% (39%): McCain 31% (32%); Obama 63% (63%)

Liberal 18% (16%): McCain 11% (11%); Obama 88% (84%)

(denotes SUSA, Oct. 11-13, 2008)
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2008, 10:38:19 am »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

Internal push poll maybe.

Did you know.... Barack Obama may have been a muslim, supports the killing of born babies, may not be an American citizen, opposes protecting our children from sex offenders, and pals around with terrorists?

For President - John McCain or Barack Obama.

and still a 2% race?  eek.
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2008, 02:37:03 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

Internal push poll maybe.

Did you know.... Barack Obama may have been a muslim, supports the killing of born babies, may not be an American citizen, opposes protecting our children from sex offenders, and pals around with terrorists?

For President - John McCain or Barack Obama.

and still a 2% race?  eek.

Supposedly one of Obama's internal polls said it was +2.  Several of the more recent same to same polls have shown a decline in Obama's numbers, from 2 to 7 points.
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2008, 02:40:44 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

Internal push poll maybe.

Did you know.... Barack Obama may have been a muslim, supports the killing of born babies, may not be an American citizen, opposes protecting our children from sex offenders, and pals around with terrorists?

For President - John McCain or Barack Obama.

and still a 2% race?  eek.

Supposedly one of Obama's internal polls said it was +2.  Several of the more recent same to same polls have shown a decline in Obama's numbers, from 2 to 7 points.

Are you going to release something like this on Election Day ?

Just curious ...
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2008, 02:42:09 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

Internal push poll maybe.

Did you know.... Barack Obama may have been a muslim, supports the killing of born babies, may not be an American citizen, opposes protecting our children from sex offenders, and pals around with terrorists?

For President - John McCain or Barack Obama.

and still a 2% race?  eek.

Supposedly one of Obama's internal polls said it was +2.  Several of the more recent same to same polls have shown a decline in Obama's numbers, from 2 to 7 points.

Dude, there was one poll that showed Obama up 7. The rest have been double digits.

There has not been a single public poll that has showed Obama only winning the state by 2 points. That is your own wishful thinking, based on conservative talk radio hearsay.

You saw one poll that showed Obama's numbers decreasing, from a Republican pollster, and now you think you see a trend.

Your act couldn't be any more transparent. Your analysis of trends are based on nothing more than your own wishful thinking.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2008, 02:43:00 pm »
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I don't believe Rove and I don't he said +2.

He said he saw an internal poll that showed Obama ahead by only 2%.

Internal push poll maybe.

Did you know.... Barack Obama may have been a muslim, supports the killing of born babies, may not be an American citizen, opposes protecting our children from sex offenders, and pals around with terrorists?

For President - John McCain or Barack Obama.

and still a 2% race?  eek.

Supposedly one of Obama's internal polls said it was +2.  Several of the more recent same to same polls have shown a decline in Obama's numbers, from 2 to 7 points.

Are you going to release something like this on Election Day ?

Just curious ...

That was a classic.
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