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« on: September 17, 2004, 01:39:20 pm »
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I am forming the new Socialist Party.

Our Platform is based on WALT BROWN/MARY ALICE HERBERT candidacy for President:

http://www.waltbrownforpresident.org/platform.html

If you want to join this new and revolutionary party, just make an informal post here in this thread.

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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2004, 01:41:20 pm »
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You do realise the socialist worker (the paper linked in your signature) is traditionally viewed as a Communist publication.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2004, 01:51:38 pm »
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You do realise the socialist worker (the paper linked in your signature) is traditionally viewed as a Communist publication.

Yes. And your point? Or are you talking about the publication in UK? Because this might be different paper your talking about. And by Communism what do you mean? State run capitalism Communism or genuine Communism?
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2004, 02:04:32 pm »
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You do realise the socialist worker (the paper linked in your signature) is traditionally viewed as a Communist publication.

Yes. And your point? Or are you talking about the publication in UK? Because this might be different paper your talking about. And by Communism what do you mean? State run capitalism Communism or genuine Communism?

I am talking about the UK Publication, I am not sure if it is the same over there but people have been refused citizenship in the USA for subscribing to the Socialist Worker.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2004, 02:05:25 pm »
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A blast from the past...welcome back, ShapeShifter.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2004, 02:09:27 pm »
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You do realise the socialist worker (the paper linked in your signature) is traditionally viewed as a Communist publication.

State run capitalism Communism or genuine Communism?

You repeat yourself
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2004, 02:41:11 pm »
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Hi Shapey, long time no see!
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I may conceivably reconsider.

Knowing me it's more likely than not.
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2004, 03:51:53 pm »
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Who let the troll out of Gitmo?
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2004, 05:21:22 pm »
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He must have gotten tired of the fact that even now, no one cares what he thinks.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2004, 06:16:05 pm »
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Hmm... long time no see. While I likely fit best under the tital 'Socialist' I'm perfectly happy in the awesomely cool United Left.

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2004, 06:35:01 pm »

Well, this is interesting.
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2004, 06:39:09 pm »
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There is a difference between State run Communism - such as Stalin USSR and Cuba. The Communism, I am exploring is where - us the WORKING CLASS recognizes its own power in society. How do you think the ruling class makes a profit? By exploiting us the workers. I have come to realize how less of a democracy the United States is.

Thanks for the welcomes. I will try to shed some light on my new adventures.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2004, 06:50:20 pm »
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Well, this is interesting.

Why Hermit...have you gone "dependent" on me?  I see a UAC icon on your cape!
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2004, 07:02:11 pm »

Well, this is interesting.

Why Hermit...have you gone "dependent" on me?  I see a UAC icon on your cape!
I joined on August fifth, mere days after registering to vote! Don't worry, boss, I won't let it affect my reporting; I'm more of an ideological than partisan member.
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2004, 07:09:18 pm »
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lol...I missed it entirely.

Well good...having two good looking Texans saundering around this forum wearing green was really aggravating my vainglorious ego.  Now I can think of you as "the Orange one."
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2004, 12:08:25 pm »
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Principles

    The Socialist Party strives to establish a radical democracy that places people's lives under their own control -- a non-racist, classless, feminist, socialist society in which people cooperate at work, at home, and in the community.

    Socialism is not mere government ownership, a welfare state, or a repressive bureaucracy. Socialism is a new social and economic order in which workers and consumers control production and community residents control their neighborhoods, homes, and schools. The production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. Socialism produces a constantly renewed future by not plundering the resources of the earth.

    Under capitalist and "Communist" states, people have little control over fundamental areas of their lives. The capitalist system forces workers to sell their abilities and skills to the few who own the workplaces, profit from these workers' labor, and use the government to maintain their privileged position. Under Communist states, decisions are made by Communist Party officials, the bureaucracy and the military. The inevitable product of each system is a class society with gross inequality of privileges, a draining of the productive wealth and goods of the society into military purposes, environmental pollution, and war in which workers are compelled to fight other workers.

    People across the world need to cast off the systems which oppress them, and build a new world fit for all humanity. Democratic revolutions are needed to dissolve the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government. By revolution we mean a radical and fundamental change in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations. The building of socialism requires widespread understanding and participation, and will not be achieved by an elite working "on behalf of" the people.

    Radical democracy is the cornerstone not only of our socialism, but also of our strategy. Here are the main features of each:
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2004, 09:19:28 am »
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The United left is a socialist party of the forum.

But there is still room for The Communist Party.
(You, Migrendel, ?)

http://www.cpusa.org/

The Communist Party was traditionally led by Finnish immigrants. What a shame!! Most American-Finnish weren't communists or even socialists  though.

It seems that communists haven't a presidential candidate this time.
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I live in Finland. I vote Conservatives (National Coalition Party) in Finnish elections, but consider myself as moderate Democrat in the USA.

In New York for the purpose of Fantasy Elections.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2004, 09:30:59 am »
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The United left is a socialist party of the forum.

Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2004, 05:03:45 pm »
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Wow....


um....


Good luck then.


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LIBERTY SHALL PREVAIL!!!!!!

sorry.
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2004, 06:00:39 pm »
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Hello ShapeShifter. Smiley
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