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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2004, 12:41:45 PM »

I say screw them all. We need a brand new party.

Suggested names:
--(Democratic) Republicans, after the Jeffersonian party of the early 1800s, but since the GOP has taken that label...
--Boston Tea Party
--Philip Party (my personal favorite)
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2004, 07:34:24 PM »

Libertarians, but then I am one.

The Greens will never do much more than left-protest vote and city council wins.  Their voters are mostly Democrats who are really left, and whenever the Republican has a good chance of winning or the Democrat is even relatively left, tons of the Green base will run home to the DNC.

The Greens won't become an independent force until there is a wedge issue between them and the Democrats - and enough voters are on the Green side.  Slavery, temperance/prohibition, free silver, abortion, war, these are potential and past wedge issues.  Unless something keeps the left from supporting Democrats in a tight spot, the Greens are screwed.

The Libertarians have a relatively independent base and secure ballot access in almost any state.  They also suffer from wedge problems, but there's enough ideological differentiation that the LP is not just GOP-extrta strength.  The LP does need a good wedge issue to keep it apart from the GOP, but it's already got consistent (low-level) support in most states.  Libertarian candidates in almost any state can usually get 0.5% or 1% in statewide elections, and it's fairly common to get 2 or 3 percent.  That's not a powerhouse, but it's a start.
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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2004, 03:46:18 PM »

Constitution Party. When the Republican party dies they'll be ready to take over. After all their platforms are almost identical.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2004, 04:07:08 PM »

For what it's worth,

In 2003 the Libertarian Party elected it's first official in Davenport, Iowa. He is Councilman Bill Lyn of District 3.

Thsat being said I feel that the Libertarains will one day make it big in U.S. Politics, perhaps electing several Congressmen and some Senators. The Libertarians will start out at a local level electing officlas (as they have done since 1970) but I think by 2010 the Libertarains will have at least a Congressman.
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2004, 04:18:40 PM »

Greens.
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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2004, 08:39:58 PM »

My prediction is that after the death of the Democratic Party, the GOP will go through a period of hegemony, and will take a turn to populism, as can be seen now with Bush's version of Hillarycare, no Children Left Behing, and other "jems", proposed by a president who was supposed to be a conservative.
Than, the Libertarian party will emerge because it will hold the diametricaly oppost position of the new republican party, and some figures of the GOP will join the LP.
It only takes a shift in the political axis from Liberal-Conservative, to Populist-Libertarian.

I think this would be especially fascinating, as it would leave the GOP occupying pretty much the same political space that the Democrats occupied at the start of the 20th Century.
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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2004, 08:47:02 PM »

Then I would have no clue who to vote for, since I think Libertarians are pro-abortion and pro- gay unions.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2004, 03:24:44 AM »

Actually, I would prefer a socialist party. But I guess Green because they are so much larger and would have a better chance of winning. I am already refered to by many in my community as a Socialist, and some dumb idiots think that means Communist. Big difference. Communism doesn't work. Socialism with Capitolism does work.
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« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2004, 01:25:15 AM »

Actually, I would prefer a socialist party. But I guess Green because they are so much larger and would have a better chance of winning. I am already refered to by many in my community as a Socialist, and some dumb idiots think that means Communist. Big difference. Communism doesn't work. Socialism with Capitolism does work.

Not very well, however.
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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2004, 12:12:00 AM »

I would say the Greens simply because the Libertarians (by their nature) are not nearly as organized as the Greens and they really don't have a solid vote base.  No CD that I know of could acctually be won by a Libertarian.  I think the Greens could win several districts on the West Coast if they got their act together and feilded some decent candidates.
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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2004, 12:17:35 AM »

Constitution Party. When the Republican party dies they'll be ready to take over. After all their platforms are almost identical.

Not nearly.  They are pratically religious facists.  They are also into all the conspirecy theory sh**t.
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2004, 06:29:48 AM »

I would say the Greens simply because the Libertarians (by their nature) are not nearly as organized as the Greens and they really don't have a solid vote base.

1. We are very organized, especially this year. We managed ballot access in more states than all the other third parties, and that takes organization.

2. There is a consistent base of support. All our candidates, except for president, seem to get at least 2% of the vote. It is that level or higher when we field a good candidate. We could likely get voted in in many Congressional districts if we had the funds to run viable campaigns. (unfortunately most of our voters don't give money)
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2004, 11:14:49 PM »

I would say the Greens simply because the Libertarians (by their nature) are not nearly as organized as the Greens and they really don't have a solid vote base.

1. We are very organized, especially this year. We managed ballot access in more states than all the other third parties, and that takes organization.

2. There is a consistent base of support. All our candidates, except for president, seem to get at least 2% of the vote. It is that level or higher when we field a good candidate. We could likely get voted in in many Congressional districts if we had the funds to run viable campaigns. (unfortunately most of our voters don't give money)

One thing that I know for certain, not many campuses that I have ever heard of have a "Campus Libertarians".  Young recruitment is key to having a solid party aparatus.  The Libertarians don't have that.
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2004, 12:05:47 AM »

The Greens just barely lost a Mayorial race in San Francisco -- yes I know it's SF, but I think the Greens have the best chance of national recognition. If they can get 1-2% this election, then they're still doing good nationally.

I think the Greens should focus more on state races right now -- they're doing a good job of that so far.
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2004, 06:46:16 AM »

I would say the Greens simply because the Libertarians (by their nature) are not nearly as organized as the Greens and they really don't have a solid vote base.

1. We are very organized, especially this year. We managed ballot access in more states than all the other third parties, and that takes organization.

2. There is a consistent base of support. All our candidates, except for president, seem to get at least 2% of the vote. It is that level or higher when we field a good candidate. We could likely get voted in in many Congressional districts if we had the funds to run viable campaigns. (unfortunately most of our voters don't give money)

One thing that I know for certain, not many campuses that I have ever heard of have a "Campus Libertarians".  Young recruitment is key to having a solid party aparatus.  The Libertarians don't have that.

http://www.lp.org/organization/campus.php

306 total campus organizations. We are usually in the more major colleges. I would agree though that we should step up college recruitment, which would especially be effective at technical schools(lots of techies and engineers have libertarian attitutes).
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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2004, 11:44:38 AM »

I would say the Greens simply because the Libertarians (by their nature) are not nearly as organized as the Greens and they really don't have a solid vote base.

1. We are very organized, especially this year. We managed ballot access in more states than all the other third parties, and that takes organization.

2. There is a consistent base of support. All our candidates, except for president, seem to get at least 2% of the vote. It is that level or higher when we field a good candidate. We could likely get voted in in many Congressional districts if we had the funds to run viable campaigns. (unfortunately most of our voters don't give money)

One thing that I know for certain, not many campuses that I have ever heard of have a "Campus Libertarians".  Young recruitment is key to having a solid party aparatus.  The Libertarians don't have that.

http://www.lp.org/organization/campus.php

306 total campus organizations. We are usually in the more major colleges. I would agree though that we should step up college recruitment, which would especially be effective at technical schools(lots of techies and engineers have libertarian attitutes).

I didn't say that there weren't any, but every campus I have been on has a "Campus Greens", and I know of 5 here in western PA that have "Campus Constitutionalist".  No campus (that I have freinds on at least) has a "Campus Libertarians" except Penn State Main.  There isn't even one a Pitt and that is a fair sized university.
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2004, 02:39:56 PM »

One thing that I know for certain, not many campuses that I have ever heard of have a "Campus Libertarians".  Young recruitment is key to having a solid party aparatus.  The Libertarians don't have that.

I know of 5 here in western PA that have "Campus Constitutionalists". No campus (that I have freinds on at least) has a "Campus Libertarians" except Penn State Main.  There isn't even one a Pitt and that is a fair sized university.
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Chris- Please don't tell that to my daughter (she is a freshman at Pitt main campus) and a member of the Pitt Libertarians who just hosted a Badnarik visit.

LOL. Yeah, did ya even think to look on that list I gave ya:

"Pittsburgh Campus Coordinator
Contact: Johannes Ernharth
libertarian@ernharth.com"
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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2004, 01:50:30 AM »

One thing that I know for certain, not many campuses that I have ever heard of have a "Campus Libertarians".  Young recruitment is key to having a solid party aparatus.  The Libertarians don't have that.

I know of 5 here in western PA that have "Campus Constitutionalists". No campus (that I have freinds on at least) has a "Campus Libertarians" except Penn State Main.  There isn't even one a Pitt and that is a fair sized university.
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Chris- Please don't tell that to my daughter (she is a freshman at Pitt main campus) and a member of the Pitt Libertarians who just hosted a Badnarik visit.

Sorry, I lost sight of this tread.  Hmmmm.  I'll be damned, this must be a fairly new addition.  I was wroong, my mistake.  My general point is still true though.
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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2004, 09:57:19 AM »

The Libertarian Party has three times more elected government officials than the Green Party. They are clealry hte larger and more influential of the two parties.

But yes, they have no chance at becoming a major force unless they become less ideological. Even so, the political split is increasingly between libertarians and populists, as opposed to conservatives and liberals nowadays.
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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2004, 10:06:47 AM »
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One thing that I know for certain, not many campuses that I have ever heard of have a "Campus Libertarians".  Young recruitment is key to having a solid party aparatus.  The Libertarians don't have that.

Well I know members of fairly well-organized campus libertarian clubs at several different universities, including five Ivy League.

There is a definitely a campus libertarians organization at Pitt, and a fairly strong one at that. I know two members, and there are many badnarik signs on poles in campus.

My local high school districts also have a somewhat libertarian outlook.
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« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2004, 10:08:12 AM »

http://www.lp.org/organization/campus.php

306 total campus organizations. We are usually in the more major colleges. I would agree though that we should step up college recruitment, which would especially be effective at technical schools(lots of techies and engineers have libertarian attitutes).

Heh... the Case Western (a techie school) Libertarians organized the only major protest to the debates, and as far as I know are the best-organized college libertarians group.
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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2004, 10:12:19 AM »

Greens *crosses fingers*

The Greens here are decently strong-ish-esque-ish-y-esque Smiley

The country had better not turn into a populist-libertarian place... then I wouldn't fit in Sad

Maybe there'd be a 3rd party that'd interest me.
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« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2004, 07:37:40 PM »

I'd like to see the Libertarians have more power in Govt. I definitely want the government to promote freedom on personal choice issues and keep theocracy out of govt policy. And I can certainly stand some cuts in federal spending, as long as defense excesses are on the table too. I wouldn't want Libertarians to be the top party but a strong, visible third party? Sounds gret.

If we're talking like first party- has control of govt the way the GOP does now or Dems in the 30s and 60s, I'd probably go with Green, if for nothing else to check corporate power over government.
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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2007, 03:09:44 PM »

Libertarians
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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2007, 05:59:37 PM »

Libertarians
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