What if Obama had not given the keynote speech at the 2004 DNC?
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« on: November 08, 2008, 10:54:55 PM »
Who would be the President-Elect right now?  You have to admit, he has John Kerry to thank for his victory four nights ago.  If John Kerry had not given him the keynote speech, would he still have been a nationally known name so soon?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 10:55:52 PM »
Clinton.  Obama only entered the race because he had such grassroots support after that speech.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 11:04:42 PM »
Who knows?  Is there any rhyme or reason to the Democrats nominating who they nominate?
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 11:24:29 PM »
Quote from: Lunar on November 08, 2008, 10:55:52 PM
Clinton.  Obama only entered the race because he had such grassroots support after that speech.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 11:31:37 PM »
Al Gore  (ok probably not but maybe... the draw for a stronger anti-Hillary to jump in would have been greater and there would have been more room for him to tap into what eventually became Obama's base so...)
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 11:33:42 PM »
Hillary Clinton, sadly.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 11:50:30 PM »
« Edited: November 08, 2008, 11:55:02 PM by phknrocket1k »
Quote from: © Black Friday on November 08, 2008, 11:31:37 PM
Al Gore  (ok probably not but maybe... the draw for a stronger anti-Hillary to jump in would have been greater and there would have been more room for him to tap into what eventually became Obama's base so...)

Obama was the best anti-Clinton candidate as she would have taken the Blacks with any other candidate.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 11:51:53 PM »
Quote from: phknrocket1k on November 08, 2008, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: © Black Friday on November 08, 2008, 11:31:37 PM
Al Gore  (ok probably not but maybe... the draw for a stronger anti-Hillary to jump in would have been greater and there would have been more room for him to tap into what eventually became Obama's base so...)

Obama was the best anti-Clinton candidate as she would have taken the Blacks without any other candidate.

she may have anyway (or at least a significant share of them) if her campaign had chosen a different direction.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2008, 01:10:17 AM »
Edwards could have potentially upset Clinton without an Obama there (unlikely) but even then the whole "oops I had an affair while my wife had cancer" thing would have sunk him.

What the hell was he thinking running for president post-affair? 

Guaranteed Clinton win.  She could have handled a scandal-tinged lightweight like Edwards.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2008, 04:15:31 PM »
Quote from: President-Elect Barack Obama on November 08, 2008, 10:54:55 PM
Who would be the President-Elect right now?  You have to admit, he has John Kerry to thank for his victory four nights ago.  If John Kerry had not given him the keynote speech, would he still have been a nationally known name so soon?
Your current name would be President-Elect Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2008, 04:58:49 PM »
President Mark Robert Warner.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2008, 06:11:20 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2008, 07:53:57 PM »
Hillary Clinton takes the nomination in a cakewalk unless Gore gets involved. Also I bet a Bloomberg independent run would've been more likely.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2008, 07:58:20 PM »
Quote from: Bacon King on November 09, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
Hillary Clinton takes the nomination in a cakewalk unless Gore gets involved. Also I bet a Bloomberg independent run would've been more likely.

No, Bloomberg would need far-left and far-right opponents to get involved.  McCain is too moderate on many issues to give Bloomberg enough breathing room for a potential candidacy.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2008, 07:59:40 PM »
Quote from: Lunar on November 09, 2008, 07:58:20 PM
Quote from: Bacon King on November 09, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
Hillary Clinton takes the nomination in a cakewalk unless Gore gets involved. Also I bet a Bloomberg independent run would've been more likely.

No, Bloomberg would need far-left and far-right opponents to get involved.  McCain is too moderate on many issues to give Bloomberg enough breathing room for a potential candidacy.

no, the answer is Southern opponents.  Huckabee vs Edwards would open the door for him to do mad damage in the Northeast.  even in an Obama or Clinton vs Huckabee race I think Bloomberg could have come in second in certain areas/counties/states in New England.
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2008, 08:02:22 PM »
Quote from: © Black Friday on November 09, 2008, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: Lunar on November 09, 2008, 07:58:20 PM
Quote from: Bacon King on November 09, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
Hillary Clinton takes the nomination in a cakewalk unless Gore gets involved. Also I bet a Bloomberg independent run would've been more likely.

No, Bloomberg would need far-left and far-right opponents to get involved.  McCain is too moderate on many issues to give Bloomberg enough breathing room for a potential candidacy.

no, the answer is Southern opponents.  Huckabee vs Edwards would open the door for him to do mad damage in the Northeast.  even in an Obama or Clinton vs Huckabee race I think Bloomberg could have come in second in certain areas/counties/states in New England.
yeah. it's not like he has to worry about funds.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2008, 08:13:48 PM »
I think Bloomberg would need some hyperparatisans more than Southerners.

Anyway, people are dreaming if they think Hillary could be beaten by anyone except the Junior Senator from Illinois.
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