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Question: Who should libertarians have voted for?
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Bob Barr
 
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Chuck Baldwin
 
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Somebody else
 
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« on: November 08, 2008, 02:36:51 AM »

Me and my roommate got in an argument after I said he should've voted for Baldwin (he's a libertarian - my roommate) and he said he voted for Barr because he supports the Lib party, even though he admitted to researching every candidate but Barr.

I still think Libertarians generally agreed with Baldwin more than Barr, since Barr is basically a Republican.

I was curious if yall agreed with me.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 02:48:37 AM »

Fred Thompson.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 03:04:44 AM »
« Edited: November 08, 2008, 03:13:33 AM by Lucid Dreams »

Of those two, Barr. Baldwin is a fundamentalist conservative and a protectionist. He's also an obvious closet racist given his views on MLK and other aspects of history. That's not uncommon to libertarians, but racism like all other forms of collectivism is fundamentally antithetical to it. That said neither is ideal, especially for the Big L types who should probably be off in compounds or taking over third world countries instead.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 03:18:48 AM »

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/84933

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Pretty much the same as Ron Paul's, but without the avuncular charm

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(1995–2007) Trying to control the faith, sexuality, reproduction, drug use, and national allegiance of every single American. (2007–) Aw,  it.

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Effeminate maître d'

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4 hours, 16 minutes

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Use his platform to apologize for things he supported as a Republican
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 05:07:26 AM »

I didn't vote for Bob Barr, I voted for the Libertarian Party.  Baldwin is way too "fundie" for my tastes.  I'm not sure if I buy into Barr's metamorphosis, but there was really nobody else for me to vote for.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 11:10:51 AM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 11:13:37 AM »

Ron Paul
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 11:14:01 AM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

How do you know? Do you speak to us as a libertarian?
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 11:16:51 AM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

How do you know? Do you speak to us as a libertarian?

I don't need to be an "authentic libertarian" (I certainly have a few strong libertarian tendencies) to know what libertarians are supposed to stand for. Is McCain ideal for libertarians? No but Obama is certainly a lot worse.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2008, 11:25:46 AM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

How do you know? Do you speak to us as a libertarian?

I don't need to be an "authentic libertarian" (I certainly have a few strong libertarian tendencies) to know what libertarians are supposed to stand for. Is McCain ideal for libertarians? No but Obama is certainly a lot worse.

He's closer to most libertarians on foreign policy and many social issues. It really depends on what their biggest priorities are.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 12:13:30 PM »

Baldwin's too extreme for my tastes, and Barr seems like an opportunist. It's hard to reconcile his past with his new found libertarianism. He could be sincere about it, but I'm cynical. It has to be someone else.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 12:25:01 PM »

Barr, in order to build the LP.  since it doesn't really matter anyway.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2008, 12:53:04 PM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

How do you know? Do you speak to us as a libertarian?

I don't need to be an "authentic libertarian" (I certainly have a few strong libertarian tendencies) to know what libertarians are supposed to stand for. Is McCain ideal for libertarians? No but Obama is certainly a lot worse.
This "authentic libertarian" was a LOT closer to voting for Obama than he was for McCain.  The second he picked Palin (well, the second I found what Palin was) he was a done as far as this libertarian was concerned.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2008, 02:30:05 PM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

How do you know? Do you speak to us as a libertarian?

I don't need to be an "authentic libertarian" (I certainly have a few strong libertarian tendencies) to know what libertarians are supposed to stand for. Is McCain ideal for libertarians? No but Obama is certainly a lot worse.

As a former yellow (and someone still with some strong libertarian tendencies) I'd definitely  take the guy that wants to cut my taxes and back the government out of my private life over the guy that had become super chummy to the religious right.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2008, 08:19:28 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2008, 08:25:38 PM »

Isn't Baldwin a statist?
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2008, 09:06:35 PM »


Yes, but less so than Barr.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2008, 09:20:47 PM »

Everyone is a statist to these people.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 09:22:01 PM »

Baldwin was the best choice for Libertarians this year.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2008, 09:23:23 PM »

Probably a write-in for Badnarik would be their best choice.

But Definitely not me.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2008, 10:26:23 PM »

From a ballot access standpoint, Barr would have been the best.  I voted for the full slate of Libertarian candidates in PA, and we actually got 173,687 for our Attorney General candidate, Betsy Summers, or 3.1% of the total votes cast.

I can't go for the Constitution candidate simply for the theocratic views; I was raised Christian, and it was bad enough I had it forced down my throat as a kid.  I don't need the same done by the goverment as an adult.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2008, 11:08:52 PM »

[Baldwin]'s also an obvious closet racist given his views on MLK and other aspects of history. That's not uncommon to libertarians, but racism like all other forms of collectivism is fundamentally antithetical to it.

I've heard that before--can you explain why racism is relatively prevalent among libertarians?
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2008, 11:18:38 PM »

[Baldwin]'s also an obvious closet racist given his views on MLK and other aspects of history. That's not uncommon to libertarians, but racism like all other forms of collectivism is fundamentally antithetical to it.

I've heard that before--can you explain why racism is relatively prevalent among libertarians?

Actually, since libertarians believe in market democracy, racism in our society would be punished by fewer customers and thus a lower standard of living. The idea that one race should be treated better than another by the state is a collectivist idea and is thus unlibertarian. However, the libertarian is not willing to discriminate against the individual who holds racist views, but as I said earlier, it does not come without punishment. Thus, is disagree with the premise.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2008, 04:44:22 AM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

Exactly!
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2008, 04:48:27 AM »

All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.

How do you know? Do you speak to us as a libertarian?

I don't need to be an "authentic libertarian" (I certainly have a few strong libertarian tendencies) to know what libertarians are supposed to stand for. Is McCain ideal for libertarians? No but Obama is certainly a lot worse.

He's closer to most libertarians on foreign policy and many social issues. It really depends on what their biggest priorities are.

Most L/libertarians I know (and I know both "L" and "l") value economic issues over social issues when it comes to picking who to support.  I'm not saying that's the way it is for all of them, just the tendency I've seen.
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