HuffPost: Obama's gonna close Gitmo!

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Yeah, they certainly are way above average.

[Joe Republic]

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/u_s_finally_gets_around_to

[MODU]

Even if we accept that argument, is there any excuse for the living conditions?

Let's see . . . some living in their own rooms while others live in general quarters.  All but a few have access to outdoor group activities.  Plus three square meals a day and advanced medical care and are allowed to freely practice their religion.  Yeah, I feel so sorry for them and their living conditions. 

[Bacon King]

Even if we accept that argument, is there any excuse for the living conditions?

Let's see . . . some living in their own rooms while others live in general quarters.  All but a few have access to outdoor group activities.  Plus three square meals a day and advanced medical care and are allowed to freely practice their religion.  Yeah, I feel so sorry for them and their living conditions. 

from Human Rights Watch:

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[Likely Voter]

will McCain come out in support of Obama's actions?

[MODU]

I'll see you one and raise you three.

New York Times: The Guantánamo I Know

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MSNBC:  Gitmo detainees get classes, movies

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The Raw Story: Gitmo Admiral: Detainees pretty much live in a fraternity house

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And lest we forget, you were quoting Human Rights Watch, which has it's own agenda as the Admiral listed above does.

[Brittain33]

SOMETHING needs to be done, at least.

States, how can you advocate people being locked up for 7 years without trial? That's dictatorial in any language.

POW

We held Germans here for years during WW1 @ 2. On top of that the same thing was done during the Civil War as well.

This makes it OK because...?

Because it keeps them from killing others until such a time where we can return them back to their country of orgin so they can be dealt with...?

That's the difference between a war with Germany, which was over when we conquered Germany, and a "War on Terror", which is over... when...?

We can not elide this distinction. Guantanamo was a problem because it didn't exist in a legal zone nor in a common sense zone. You can't keep people locked up indefinitely, especially without some kind of legal process. 

[MODU]

That's the difference between a war with Germany, which was over when we conquered Germany, and a "War on Terror", which is over... when...?

We can not elide this distinction. Guantanamo was a problem because it didn't exist in a legal zone nor in a common sense zone. You can't keep people locked up indefinitely, especially without some kind of legal process. 

Yes, they are significantly different.  However, like with Germany, we are returning detainees to their home of orgin to be dealt with by their governments.  Some that were continue to retain are done so because of their strategic importance, because of still relevant intel they can provide, or because they will be killed/tortured by their country of orgin (ie - China).  No one ever said it was a perfect practice.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

You know sometimes this forum never ceases to amaze me with its predictability... Of course Modu is going to say that Gitmo is Ok and perfectly above board because he seems incapable of believing that the US could ever do anything wrong and that the US is height of civilization and etc. If there was evidence that detainees were being brought out of the prison and plunged into the water as executions, MODU would still defend it as neccesary in the fight against terror. He's like a more intelligent version of Naso. Narrative Superceeds evidence.

Meanwhile Of course the "liberals" are going to disagree with him not just disagreeing (mildly) with status quo arguements is what they do but because it fits into the narrative of America which they know so well. Gitmo may be a holiday camp for all I know; but the pseudo-rebellious "liberals" seem in it a perfect example of America's inability or failure to deal probably with the Islamic world. Simple arguement, now if a released detainee freed would then go on to commit 9/11 II we would surely all hear about Iraq, Bush and etc etc.

I yawn.

[Хahar 🤔]

The "fight against terror" is bullѕhit.

[MODU]

You know sometimes this forum never ceases to amaze me with its predictability... Of course Modu is going to say that Gitmo is Ok and perfectly above board because he seems incapable of believing that the US could ever do anything wrong and that the US is height of civilization and etc. If there was evidence that detainees were being brought out of the prison and plunged into the water as executions, MODU would still defend it as neccesary in the fight against terror. He's like a more intelligent version of Naso. Narrative Superceeds evidence.

No one ever said it was a perfect practice.

That kinda puts a dent into your overgeneralization of my views.  Ideally, we wouldn't need Gimto.  However, we have to have some place to place these people and to gain intelligence while keeping them off the battle field.  I know . . . I'm big ol' mean MODU for treating terrorists like the mercenaries that they are (according to the Geneva Convention), yet at the same time providing them more meals and better living conditions than even some of our own law abiding citizens enjoy.  How do I ever sleep at night?  

[Tetro Kornbluth]

You know sometimes this forum never ceases to amaze me with its predictability... Of course Modu is going to say that Gitmo is Ok and perfectly above board because he seems incapable of believing that the US could ever do anything wrong and that the US is height of civilization and etc. If there was evidence that detainees were being brought out of the prison and plunged into the water as executions, MODU would still defend it as neccesary in the fight against terror. He's like a more intelligent version of Naso. Narrative Superceeds evidence.

No one ever said it was a perfect practice.

That kinda puts a dent into your overgeneralization of my views.  Ideally, we wouldn't need Gimto.  However, we have to have some place to place these people and to gain intelligence while keeping them off the battle field.  I know . . . I'm big ol' mean MODU for treating terrorists like the mercenaries that they are (according to the Geneva Convention), yet at the same time providing them more meals and better living conditions than even some of our own law abiding citizens enjoy.  How do I ever sleep at night?  

Did you even read the second half of my post.

[MODU]

Did you even read the second half of my post.

Yup, but I only quoted the first half since that was the part that pertained directly towards my views.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

SOMETHING needs to be done, at least.

States, how can you advocate people being locked up for 7 years without trial? That's dictatorial in any language.

POW

We held Germans here for years during WW1 @ 2. On top of that the same thing was done during the Civil War as well.

Those were different kinds of wars with the sides clearly distinguished.  There might be many, many people at Gitmo who have nothing to do with terrorism at all!

[Sbane]

For me the worst part about Gitmo was how it ruined our moral position in the world. Pre Bush/Iraq/Gitmo America was viewed as a place of freedom and opportunity. Now it is viewed as a country that conducts illegal wars and tortures people. I think these people need to be given rights but I am not sure if they should be released. They sure as hell shouldn't have been kept like animals and then shown to the rest of the world. You "patriotic" Americans think people will always agree with whatever we do since we are the best country or some bullsh**t like that. Doesn't work that way though. If we are going to compete in this globalized world, we need friends and our moral authority back. Getting rid of gitmo is the best way to do it and higher up officials should make a decision about who there is important and who is not, then conduct trials for those who are just foot soldiers. All the important guys should just be kept secret about( I am sure these are just a handful) or sent to another country for "processing".

[minionofmidas]

About time. He couldn't afford to wait much longer with this announcement.

sbane (first sentence) is exactly right.

SOMETHING needs to be done, at least.

States, how can you advocate people being locked up for 7 years without trial? That's dictatorial in any language.

POW

We held Germans here for years during WW1 @ 2. On top of that the same thing was done during the Civil War as well.

Those were different kinds of wars with the sides clearly distinguished.  There might be many, many people at Gitmo who have nothing to do with terrorism at all!

"might"? LMAO.

[MR maverick]

This is bad news to me actually.

Keep it open.

[exopolitician]

Good.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Fantastic!

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Did you even read the second half of my post.

Yup, but I only quoted the first half since that was the part that pertained directly towards my views.

Then you obviously did not understand what I was saying. You sir, have failed.

[Gustaf]

I don't really have an opinion of the camp. But the practice of keeping people without trial does have to end. So in that sense I guess I'm for it. But it's a principle thing for me. I don't feel all that sympathetical towards the people held there, since I doubt they're all that innocent.