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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2008, 09:30:39 pm »
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Nixon....Ford wasn't that bad of a President...he just really didn't do anything. My dad met him once, apparently he was a pretty friendly and decent fellow.

Carter comes next, then I guess Reagan and Daddy Bush.

Ford gave us the Helsinki Accords, a very politically unpopular move at the time, but one that eventually bore fruit in the form of the liberal democratic movements that swept through the communist bloc several years later. I believe this, alone, is enough to qualify him as an above-average President.

Helsinki was meaningless.
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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2008, 06:54:13 am »
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Hoover , Carter, and Bush W.

After 2012 you can Add Barack H Obama to that list.
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« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2008, 03:12:13 pm »
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Nixon....Ford wasn't that bad of a President...he just really didn't do anything. My dad met him once, apparently he was a pretty friendly and decent fellow.

Carter comes next, then I guess Reagan and Daddy Bush.

Ford gave us the Helsinki Accords, a very politically unpopular move at the time, but one that eventually bore fruit in the form of the liberal democratic movements that swept through the communist bloc several years later. I believe this, alone, is enough to qualify him as an above-average President.

Helsinki was meaningless.

Do you have an argument, or are you simply making ridiculous statements for fun?
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« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2008, 07:14:46 pm »
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A result of the Nixon/Ford years.

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http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Consumer_Price_Index/HistoricalCPI.aspx?rsCPI_currentPage=2
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« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2008, 07:22:04 pm »
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Do you remember the gas lines?

I remember them from before Carter took office. 1973?

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But, do you rememember the 1979-80 gas lines?  Or do you have selective memory, or severe memory lapses?
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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2008, 07:30:06 pm »
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Carter mishandled a bad situaton that was created by the Nixon/Ford foreign policy mess.

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Well its nice of you to admit that that was a "bad situation" and that Carter "mishandled" it,  but your attempt to blame everything that went wrong under Carter on Nixon/Ford is hysterically funny.
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2008, 07:51:23 pm »
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Nixon....Ford wasn't that bad of a President...he just really didn't do anything. My dad met him once, apparently he was a pretty friendly and decent fellow.

Carter comes next, then I guess Reagan and Daddy Bush.

Ford gave us the Helsinki Accords, a very politically unpopular move at the time, but one that eventually bore fruit in the form of the liberal democratic movements that swept through the communist bloc several years later. I believe this, alone, is enough to qualify him as an above-average President.

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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2008, 08:23:02 pm »
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Do you remember the crime rate was higher in 1980 than at any time in the preceding or succeeding twenty seven years?

It was higher under Bush (Sr.).



Here's the Murder and Nonnegligent Homicide rate (according the the Uniform Crime Statistics):

Year          Rate per 100,000 population

1980               10.2     
1989                 8.7
1990                 9.4
1991                 9.8
1992                 9.3
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« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2008, 09:39:17 pm »
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Truman, for his idiotic handling of the Korean war. JFK is a close second, although maybe I just think he wasn't as good as most claim.
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« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2008, 06:51:37 pm »
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Truman, for his idiotic handling of the Korean war. JFK is a close second, although maybe I just think he wasn't as good as most claim.

Kennedy's tax policy was on point. 
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« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2008, 12:43:28 am »
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Nixon....Ford wasn't that bad of a President...he just really didn't do anything. My dad met him once, apparently he was a pretty friendly and decent fellow.

Carter comes next, then I guess Reagan and Daddy Bush.

Ford gave us the Helsinki Accords, a very politically unpopular move at the time, but one that eventually bore fruit in the form of the liberal democratic movements that swept through the communist bloc several years later. I believe this, alone, is enough to qualify him as an above-average President.

Helsinki was meaningless.

Do you have an argument, or are you simply making ridiculous statements for fun?

Have you evidence that it did something?

When I look at the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, Helsinki just doesn't figure.
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« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2008, 09:17:56 am »
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A result of the Nixon/Ford years.

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http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Consumer_Price_Index/HistoricalCPI.aspx?rsCPI_currentPage=2

Inflation was double digit throughout 1974 and into early 1975.  Check the source you just provided.   
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« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2008, 09:20:28 am »
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Do you remember the gas lines?

I remember them from before Carter took office. 1973?

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But, do you rememember the 1979-80 gas lines?  Or do you have selective memory, or severe memory lapses?

Sure there were gas lines in 79-80. 
There were also gas lines in 1973. 
Do you remember that?
Do you also remember that Carter didn't become president until 1977?
So how are you going to blame the 1973 gas lines on Carter?
Please explain for us.
Absolutely hysterical for you to come back with comments about selective memory. 
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« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2008, 09:45:02 am »
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Do you remember the crime rate was higher in 1980 than at any time in the preceding or succeeding twenty seven years?

It was higher under Bush (Sr.).



Here's the Murder and Nonnegligent Homicide rate (according the the Uniform Crime Statistics):

Year          Rate per 100,000 population

1980               10.2     
1989                 8.7
1990                 9.4
1991                 9.8
1992                 9.3


You are being curiously selective in your statistics.

From the same source as you referenced:
Violent Crime Rates/100,000
1977     475.9 
1978    497.8    
1979    548.9
1980    596.6    
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1989      663.1 
1990    731.8
1991     758.1
1992     757.5    


Murder did hit a peak during Carter's years.  But other types of violent crime (ie: forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assualt) were higher under Bush (Sr.)
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« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2008, 09:49:55 am »
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Carter mishandled a bad situaton that was created by the Nixon/Ford foreign policy mess.

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Well its nice of you to admit that that was a "bad situation" and that Carter "mishandled" it,  but your attempt to blame everything that went wrong under Carter on Nixon/Ford is hysterically funny.

I did not blamed everything that went wrong on Nixon/Ford.  I did point out some issues where the same phenomenon was seen before or after Carter (gas lines, high crime) or where he inherited a problem not of his own making.   But you seem too blinded by your irrational partisanship to handle fact based discussion.


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« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2009, 01:51:16 am »
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George W. Bush.

He let himself be a stooge for Karl Rove, allowing a Party Boss to be a fourth branch of government contrary to the Constitution, and promoting the perverse "majority of a majority" system in which those who vote "wrong" get cheated. He bungled the response to Hurricane Katrina.  Surely he signed off on the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson.

He lied about the casus belli against Saddam Hussein. He enabled abuse of prisoners in prisons under US supervision and promoted a concept called "extraordinary rendition" that allowed those who ended up in American custody to be sent to countries in which they would be tortured.  He played word games to befuddle people. He promoted a speculative boom that could only go bust. Not since Herbert Hoover has any President been so thoroughly repudiated so quickly and completely -- and Hoover at least had a moral compass.

Has anyone noticed what a "non-person" he has become since his term of office expired?
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« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2009, 07:34:41 pm »
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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2009, 11:18:13 pm »
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     Carter, though not just naming every choice is just lazy.
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« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2010, 12:50:24 am »
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Other: JFK.
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« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2010, 12:59:35 am »
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LBJ for sure, followed by George W. Bush.

If Obama counts, then put him up there too.
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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2010, 10:05:30 am »
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Carter:

Malaise
Stagflation
Energy Crisis
Rejection of the Shah
Supporting rebels in Afghanistan (I realize Reagan continued this policy, and it's a black mark on his record, also.)
Budget Deficit
Inability to manage and delegate.

W. has been pretty bad, but Carter takes the cake, in my opinion.


Rejection of Shah? Hahaha. Actually, not admitting him to the U.S. was pretty smart move and avoided additional troubles. Carter cannot be really blamed for Iranian revolution, as it was a consequence of politics impaled by the U.S. since Ike.

Budget deficit: Compare it to Bush one, ok?

Afghanistan? Lol, I thought you conservatives were so supportivbe to "freedom fighters".
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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2010, 02:45:09 pm »
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Carter:

Malaise
Stagflation
Energy Crisis
Rejection of the Shah
Supporting rebels in Afghanistan (I realize Reagan continued this policy, and it's a black mark on his record, also.)
Budget Deficit
Inability to manage and delegate.

W. has been pretty bad, but Carter takes the cake, in my opinion.


Rejection of Shah? Hahaha. Actually, not admitting him to the U.S. was pretty smart move and avoided additional troubles. Carter cannot be really blamed for Iranian revolution, as it was a consequence of politics impaled by the U.S. since Ike.

Budget deficit: Compare it to Bush one, ok?

Afghanistan? Lol, I thought you conservatives were so supportivbe to "freedom fighters".

Not sure about Iran, hell the fact that the Iranian Revolution was a problem for us should speak volumes about how out of control US foreign policy had got at that juncture. Blame Ike Boy for setting the stones in place for such an incident to occur in the first place.

Budget Deficit: I don't even know where to begin on this one. Sure Carter had a budget deficit but the fact that Reagan and Bush fanboys always bring this up is the definition of irony considering that Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and Junior all exploded the deficit to heights that made Carter's deficit look like the world's smallest penis in comparison.

Afghanistan, you got a point there but like Kal said I find it ironic that some conservatives would be opposed to "freedumb fightun". There was this thing called the "Cold War" you see, except it really wasn't cold outside it was just a state of mind that existed between the superpowers of the Capitalistic West and the Communistic East. Conservatives back then could give a flip about Islamic extremists because they were worried that men dancing around in Red Pajamas drinking vodka and screaming "Vas Vadanya!" would nuke the f*** out of them. Now such an idea seems like utter nonsense, after all state communism is by definition utter nonsense, but back then even as late as 1979 there was a real fear that people were so idiotic that they would prefer the message of collectivist government with no fun over the semi-fun semi-cool capitalistic system of the west! This philosophy is what guided foreign policy between 1945-1991, because the threat of nuclear annhilation, without regarding the principle of Mutual Assured Destruction that states that all sides will avoid all out war in fear of creating a nuclear holocaust, as illogical as it seems to alot of people nowdays at least made somewhat more sense than "them third world tyrannical regimes will nuke the f*** out of us!" when our own nuclear arsenals outnumber theirs 1000 to 1 (at least).
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« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2010, 10:03:17 am »
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« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2010, 03:28:17 pm »
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