US loses the Civil War?

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How likely would this map have become if the US lost the war in 1862. I got a little liberal and assumed that the US would have ceded over part of CA in peace negotiations.

Would the Russians have had more influence in North America? Or would have Canada seized onto the upper plains territories?

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I dont know if the Feds would have ceded both Maryland and Delaware to the CSA, Kentucky probably.

Not impossible they move the capitol back north but i dont see it happening, unless the south has a real choke hold

The Feds were barely holding on to MD in '62. I will agree with you on Delaware. Also, the yankees may have been reeling bad enough to cede whatever necessary to end the conflict.

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What do you think Russia would have done? I know they wanted a piece of the imperial action in the late 19th century.

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Virginia was already leading the way in abolishing slavery.

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confederate survival was hard enough so i dont see them getting any of the disputed areas if they roll snake eyes and win

basically a south which lacks ohio, maryland, dc, delaware, kentucky, east tennesee, west virginia and arizona territory

The cards were very much more in the souths favor in 1862. Sorry but you're looking at it in an August 63 mode. When I first started this thread I said 1862. The south had a whole different worlds worth of leverage that early on. They had a lot of manpower still and their transportation system hadn't broken down as bad yet. That's what doomed the confederacy, they had thousands of tons of food at the end of the war but no way to transport it to the front lines.

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I think it was likely from 1783 onwards.