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« Reply #450 on: December 03, 2008, 03:40:14 PM »

Hm? Why? Just because he prefers MN Dems to MN Reps and likes Ron Paul?

Voting for Ron Paul and Franken is a clear sign of lunacy in my book.
Voting for Coleman, Barkley, or Franken, except as a lesser evil, is a clear sign of lunacy in anybody's book.
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« Reply #451 on: December 03, 2008, 03:41:43 PM »

One of the more creative challenges I've found so far.  Follow the logic (not that I think it's successful btw)

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/cottonwood_noprecinct_8.pdf
There might be a logic, if the principle continued beyond the second race...
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« Reply #452 on: December 03, 2008, 03:55:47 PM »

The voter was probably trying to indicate that they were willing to vote for anyone but John McCain and Norm Coleman.
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« Reply #453 on: December 03, 2008, 03:56:54 PM »

The voter was probably trying to indicate that they were willing to vote for anyone but John McCain and Norm Coleman.
Presumably, yeah. Still a stupid way of doing so when you know that one of those races was way close...
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« Reply #454 on: December 03, 2008, 04:06:19 PM »

I assume Franken's claims are posturing for the coming review of ballots and court challenge.

More campaign BS of which we've already had enough on both sides.
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« Reply #455 on: December 03, 2008, 04:37:53 PM »

Which Norm Coleman is this voter voting for?

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Crow%20Wing_Lake%20Edward_challenged%20ballot%201.pdf
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« Reply #456 on: December 03, 2008, 04:39:49 PM »

That is pretty clear intent for Coleman. The Barkley circle was crossed out.
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« Reply #457 on: December 03, 2008, 04:41:48 PM »

That pretty rare bird - a ballot where there is a quite likely explanation that would render the ballot valid (Torie's) but not enough clarity to count it under normal circumstances.
I really don't care if they count that one.
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« Reply #458 on: December 03, 2008, 04:50:27 PM »

Wait. Franken leads now? Wasn't Coleman increasing his lead yesterday to 300 votes? How the hell did this happen?
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« Reply #459 on: December 03, 2008, 04:55:22 PM »

Almost certainly not.
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Coleman's lead has been going down steadily (except for that one 37 vote drop) but almost certainly too slowly (from the Franken viewpoint) since the recount started. Anything else was just partisan hackery - a department in which Franken's people have been bad and Coleman's worse. The recount is now nearly finished, so if Franken were winning this, which he almost certainly isn't, he would have to be taking the lead round about now.

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« Reply #460 on: December 03, 2008, 05:26:35 PM »

Probably from one of the last 34 precincts to be counted from Hennepin County...

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_11129187?nclick_check=1

Minneapolis discovery costs Franken 44 votes.

What Maplewood giveth, Minneapolis taketh away.

Elections officials in Minnesota's largest city today discovered that one precinct came up 133 ballots short of election day totals, resulting in a net loss for Democratic challenger Al Franken of 44 votes.

The development wipes away what had been a boon for Franken in his bid to overtake Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, after Ramsey County officials found an additional 37 votes for Franken from a Maplewood precinct on Tuesday.

Minneapolis elections director Cindy Reichert said she believes the error occurred when election judges at the precinct on election night mistakenly ran ballots with write-in candidates through a counting machine twice. There were 129 such ballots.

Reichert said although the numbers do not match exactly, she is confident that that's what happened and will report those numbers to the Secretary of State's Office. She also detailed a search for any potential missing envelopes that contain ballots, including opening the counting machine, talking to election judges and calling the church where the polling place was located.

"We believe that we have all the ballot envelopes here," Reichert said. "There are human errors that are made on election day."
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« Reply #461 on: December 03, 2008, 05:27:39 PM »

In other words, it's over.
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« Reply #462 on: December 03, 2008, 05:31:46 PM »

lol, so much for the people b!tching about how the election was going to be stolen by Franken.
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« Reply #463 on: December 03, 2008, 05:34:07 PM »


Well, commenting on this and your previous post, the Franken rap is that the totals don't include challenged ballots, and the Coleman team made a lot more frivolous challenges than they did.
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« Reply #464 on: December 03, 2008, 05:35:48 PM »

I can't say I followed this race very closely, but the notion of a celebrity of any sort running for office struck me as a bad idea from the moment Al Franken announced. Celebrity is only an advantage when you're a Republican from California. Then again this is the state that elected Jesse Ventura. But the fact remains that the guy's a flamethrower and should be writing more books calling people he disagrees with names, not doing anything serious like the US Senate. Would I like it if Ann Coulter was elected Senator? She has some pretty fancy degrees IIRC, she's certainly more qualified than Sarah Palin. But her candidacy would still be a joke. With a decent Dem, Coleman would be long gone by now.
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« Reply #465 on: December 03, 2008, 06:40:13 PM »

They're stealing it! Sad
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« Reply #466 on: December 03, 2008, 06:44:54 PM »

I'm getting nervous.
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« Reply #467 on: December 03, 2008, 08:13:47 PM »

That pretty rare bird - a ballot where there is a quite likely explanation that would render the ballot valid (Torie's) but not enough clarity to count it under normal circumstances.
I really don't care if they count that one.

Seems like a pretty clear Coleman vote to me.  Imagine the alternative; it would be a pretty much equivocal overvote.  But because the voter took the time to write in "Norm Coleman", and it is not crossed out or in any way defaced, it is much more likely the intended vote.
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« Reply #468 on: December 03, 2008, 09:18:47 PM »

TPM's update:

Franken Camp Sounds Alarm: Votes Missing In Minneapolis!

Just when you thought you might know what's going on in Minnesota...

The Franken campaign, which has been voicing concern all through this recount about missing ballots, just put out a very urgent press release alleging that 133 ballots are missing from a single precinct -- which just so happens to be a solidly-Dem precinct right in Minneapolis -- and calling upon the city's elections director to keep the recount officially open until this matter is resolved.

The county's initial election returns showed that Franken had a lead of 495 votes over Coleman, a nearly two-to-one-lead in this single precinct (Ward 3, Precinct 1). If these missing ballots are not recovered, it is quite possible that Franken could sustain a net loss in the vote count that would be enough to undo the campaign's claim of a 22-vote lead from this morning.
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« Reply #469 on: December 03, 2008, 09:48:12 PM »

Cheesy

What I've been expecting all along.
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« Reply #470 on: December 03, 2008, 09:49:44 PM »


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« Reply #471 on: December 03, 2008, 09:56:27 PM »

With 98% of votes counted, Coleman leads by 316.
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« Reply #472 on: December 03, 2008, 09:58:49 PM »

With 98% of votes counted, Coleman leads by 316.

Let's get real sir, "leads" 

(I'm a Coleman supporter unless my original prediction of Franken +42 is the best one, in that case my allegiance switches to bragging rights)
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« Reply #473 on: December 03, 2008, 10:04:05 PM »

With 98% of votes counted, Coleman leads by 316.

Let's get real sir, "leads" 

(I'm a Coleman supporter unless my original prediction of Franken +42 is the best one, in that case my allegiance switches to bragging rights)


No entiendo.

In other words, what?
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« Reply #474 on: December 03, 2008, 10:05:35 PM »

I mean, he's not actually leading by 316.

I assume that number doesn't include the 600 challenges Franken's campaign gave up on today?  Coleman's lead should jump to >900 tomorrow morning if it clicks through then.
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