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« Reply #550 on: December 08, 2008, 11:31:18 pm »
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Franken.

He voted Barkley (or Aldrich), changed his mind to Aldrich (or Barkley), then changed his mind a last time to Franken.
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« Reply #551 on: December 08, 2008, 11:32:54 pm »
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Franken.

He voted Barkley (or Aldrich), changed his mind to Aldrich (or Barkley), then changed his mind a last time to Franken.

Or maybe he marked his two preferences...

I mean, it's a Franken vote, but is it clear?
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« Reply #552 on: December 08, 2008, 11:38:30 pm »
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This one was challenged because the voter is retarded

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« Reply #553 on: December 09, 2008, 12:27:19 am »
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Franken.

He voted Barkley (or Aldrich), changed his mind to Aldrich (or Barkley), then changed his mind a last time to Franken.

Or maybe he marked his two preferences...

I mean, it's a Franken vote, but is it clear?
It's not 100% clear, but it's more likely a Franken vote than an Other vote. Whether that means it's 51% a Franken vote or 99% a Franken vote, and at what point the judge gets to give the vote to Franken between those two percentages, I don't know.
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« Reply #554 on: December 09, 2008, 12:29:29 am »
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My understanding is that Minnesota law likes to assume that the person did in fact intend to vote for a candidate.

But is an honest 80% confidence about the vote sufficient?

No clue
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« Reply #555 on: December 09, 2008, 12:07:52 pm »
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Franken.

He voted Barkley (or Aldrich), changed his mind to Aldrich (or Barkley), then changed his mind a last time to Franken.

Or maybe he marked his two preferences...

I mean, it's a Franken vote, but is it clear?
It's not 100% clear, but it's more likely a Franken vote than an Other vote. Whether that means it's 51% a Franken vote or 99% a Franken vote, and at what point the judge gets to give the vote to Franken between those two percentages, I don't know.
It's much like the Barkley struck, Coleman intended example we had above, with a couple slight discrepancies: At least the voter knew which Al Franken he wanted to vote for (the other guy checked write-in, wrote in "Norm Coleman", left Norm's box free) and the crosses are slightly less ambiguous, though still less than perfectly so.
I'd still say that if this one counts, the other probably should as well.
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« Reply #556 on: December 09, 2008, 12:31:09 pm »
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Look at how much time someone spent writing in unique names for each different judge position up for election:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Bloomington_P25_challengedballot1F.pdf

(Unlike the ones where someone obviously signed their name as a write-in for half the offices, this one is a clearly valid vote, however.)
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« Reply #557 on: December 09, 2008, 12:33:38 pm »
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Here's another one of those Coleman challengers who belong in HELL:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Stearns_StWendelP2_challengedballot33.pdf
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« Reply #558 on: December 09, 2008, 01:22:49 pm »
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Here's another one of those Coleman challengers who belong in HELL:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Stearns_StWendelP2_challengedballot33.pdf
Wait, what? There's nothing unclear about that ballot at all.
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« Reply #559 on: December 09, 2008, 10:33:00 pm »
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Look at how much time someone spent writing in unique names for each different judge position up for election:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Bloomington_P25_challengedballot1F.pdf

(Unlike the ones where someone obviously signed their name as a write-in for half the offices, this one is a clearly valid vote, however.)

That is a proof of the stupidity of electing judges and you're wrong. He voted for the true candidate for a judge position.
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« Reply #560 on: December 09, 2008, 10:43:29 pm »
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Here's another one of those Coleman challengers who belong in HELL:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Stearns_StWendelP2_challengedballot33.pdf

     It would be interesting to see roughly what the percentage was of challenged votes that were in reality completely unambiguous.
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« Reply #561 on: December 10, 2008, 03:35:41 pm »
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Here's another one of those Coleman challengers who belong in HELL:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Stearns_StWendelP2_challengedballot33.pdf

What could possibly be the basis of the challenge there?
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« Reply #562 on: December 10, 2008, 04:39:05 pm »
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He didn't vote in two of the elections! Nullify his vote!
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« Reply #563 on: December 10, 2008, 04:45:55 pm »
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Look at how much time someone spent writing in unique names for each different judge position up for election:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Bloomington_P25_challengedballot1F.pdf

(Unlike the ones where someone obviously signed their name as a write-in for half the offices, this one is a clearly valid vote, however.)

That is a proof of the stupidity of electing judges and you're wrong. He voted for the true candidate for a judge position.

Huh? What exactly am I wrong about? I'm confused.
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« Reply #564 on: December 10, 2008, 04:58:54 pm »
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Look at how much time someone spent writing in unique names for each different judge position up for election:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Bloomington_P25_challengedballot1F.pdf

(Unlike the ones where someone obviously signed their name as a write-in for half the offices, this one is a clearly valid vote, however.)

That is a proof of the stupidity of electing judges and you're wrong. He voted for the true candidate for a judge position.

Huh? What exactly am I wrong about? I'm confused.
He did that for all judge races but one.
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« Reply #565 on: December 11, 2008, 05:21:13 pm »
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http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/35938774.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUT
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« Reply #566 on: December 11, 2008, 05:22:07 pm »
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« Reply #567 on: December 11, 2008, 05:41:24 pm »
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Yeah, it's their fault that an election official improperly threw their vote out. They should just suck it up. It's not like they have a right to vote anyway.
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« Reply #568 on: December 11, 2008, 10:17:50 pm »
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So, will we have a good idea of who wins tomorrow?
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« Reply #569 on: December 11, 2008, 10:29:25 pm »
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Look at how much time someone spent writing in unique names for each different judge position up for election:

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/Bloomington_P25_challengedballot1F.pdf

(Unlike the ones where someone obviously signed their name as a write-in for half the offices, this one is a clearly valid vote, however.)

That is a proof of the stupidity of electing judges and you're wrong. He voted for the true candidate for a judge position.

Huh? What exactly am I wrong about? I'm confused.
He did that for all judge races but one.

Ah, true. Maybe it is an identifying mark, then; was this Beryl A. Nord's ballot? (I kid.)


I have to say that the quadriplegic actually has a good case in regards to the signatures--no idea about the registration, of course. But his story is probably not representative.
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« Reply #570 on: December 12, 2008, 07:18:35 am »
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So, will we have a good idea of who wins tomorrow?
Coleman wins. Franken's narrowed the gap but is falling short.

Unless I'm wrong, in which case I'm wrong.-
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« Reply #571 on: December 12, 2008, 11:23:47 am »
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So, will we have a good idea of who wins tomorrow?
Coleman wins. Franken's narrowed the gap but is falling short.

Unless I'm wrong, in which case I'm wrong.-

Since when was he narrowing the gap?

Also, when is the canvassing board sitting down and doing this thing?
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« Reply #572 on: December 12, 2008, 11:35:21 am »
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So, will we have a good idea of who wins tomorrow?
Coleman wins. Franken's narrowed the gap but is falling short.

Unless I'm wrong, in which case I'm wrong.-

Since when was he narrowing the gap?
Since the Coleman campaign found it necessary to challenge perfectly valid ballots.

A stupidity the other side then duplicated, of course.
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« Reply #573 on: December 12, 2008, 12:10:30 pm »
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FRANKEN WINS AT COURT
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« Reply #574 on: December 12, 2008, 12:17:40 pm »
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FRANKEN WINS AT COURT

The absentee ballots will be counted, as will the 133 ballots left out of the recount (but included in the original count. IIRC, the latter is a net +37 for Franken, or something like it. The absentee ballots could give any result at all; there are about 1,500 of them.
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