Want to depress yourself further? Look at Southern precinct results!

[MK]

You guys are making too big of a deal out of these numbers ( Iam concerned about LA). Most of the other southern states are not as racist as some of you are making them out to be.

[MK]

You guys are making too big of a deal out of these numbers ( Iam concerned about LA). Most of the other southern states are not as racist as some of you are making them out to be.

Map on the left shows % vote Obama, map on the right shows % Black as of the last census. Or was it the other way round?

Actually the giveaway (beyond the choice of colours) is the crude key used for % Black and the massive movement of Blacks into some Atlanta suburbs.

His color didn't have everything to do with that map.  Sure Obama was going to win those black areas of the state. 

You guys are being unfair to voters in the south by assuming its all about race.

[MK]

You guys are making too big of a deal out of these numbers ( Iam concerned about LA). Most of the other southern states are not as racist as some of you are making them out to be.

Then why did Obama win 10 and 11% of whites in Alabama and Mississippi respectively[qm]

I never said race didn't play a factor, but its not the definitive you guys are making it out to be. Theres  many different reasons for those numbers.  FDR was the last northen Liberal democrat to win in the in the south.   In 4 years if Obama can do a moderately good job at turning things around, we will see then.

[MK]

I never said race didn't play a factor, but its not the definitive you guys are making it out to be. Theres  many different reasons for those numbers.  FDR was the last northen Liberal democrat to win in the in the south.

We're assuming there is a reason for that, and it is called "racism".

Well I guess according to some - the south is just a bunch of racist bigoted people.

[MK]

I never said race didn't play a factor, but its not the definitive you guys are making it out to be. Theres  many different reasons for those numbers.  FDR was the last northen Liberal democrat to win in the in the south.

We're assuming there is a reason for that, and it is called "racism".

Well I guess according to some - the south is just a bunch of racist bigoted people.

Look, I understand you want to defend the South - I spent some time in SC and GA - and I met some great people. However... the evidence does suggest a much MUCH smaller proportion of the white vote in the Southern states for Obama... now let's be 100% honest here... apart from race give me one solid reason why the white vote would be less than for Kerry or Gore?

Kerry didn't do all that well here neither remember "out-of-touch ultraliberal "

Al Gore was from the south.

Obama did pretty good in the south even picked off 2 southern states and almost got Evangelical MO to boot.

To say that the folks in the south who didn't vote for Obama was because of race is not being honest, or fair in this case.  I concede you that there are "pockets" that have a racial factor ( the state of LA seems to be having problems), but overall in the south its not the full case.

The south has been republican for a while, and it has alot to do with anti libreal feeling more then race.

[MK]

Heres the problem the intellectual Liberals come in with their stats and charts saying you're a racist because you didn't vote for Obama.  Micro- analyze us southern folks as bigoted, yet its not race!  Its the issues and how liberals go about things. John Kerry was just as disliked here, hell Obama actually had somewhat of a chance in Georiga.  He won 45% of the vote in Carolina ( I didn't think he would get over 38-39% in any of those states), but I wanna be honest with you aswell - Yes we do have pockets of racism, theres no question about it.

I don't like the broad message of "the south is racist" because they didn't vote for the black guy.

[MK]

Heres the problem the intellectuals Liberals come in with their stats and charts saying you're a racist because you didn't vote for Obama.  Micro- analyze us southern folks as bigoted, yet its not race!  Its the issues and how liberals go about things. John Kerry was just as disliked here, hell Obama actually had somewhat of a chance in Georiga.  He won 45% of the vote in Carolina ( I didn't think he would get over 38-39% in any of those states), but I wanna be honest with you aswell - Yes we do have pockets of racism, theres no question about it.

I don't like the broad message of "the south is racist" because they didn't vote for the black guy.

I think the swings against Obama, while the rest of the country swung towards him, is the biggest indictment of the south. Now this only applies to rural areas, and one of the reasons why we saw GA and NC swinging hard towards Obama. Most of the other swings towards Obama is explained by higher black turnout. Where the white swing against Obama shows up is in places like Tennessee and Oklahoma, where the black population is low. Still it only hurt Obama on the margins and it is unlikely he would have got much more white votes if he was named barry olsen and was white. Southerners just don't like liberals.

My whole point.  A Democrat can win in the south if we brings the right types of views with him. Bill Clinton was able to be a moderate or atleast pretend in 92'  and won a few southern states.  The Bill Clinton of today Probably couldn't carry any of those states he did in 1992 and we saw them trend back gop in 96'.

[MK]

There has been some suggestions that the Dems should move there first caucus ( Iowa) to be a southern state.

[MK]

This was suggestion before the thumping the GOP received Nov 4Th by the way.

[MK]

This really is what should bother people in the South - the South used to be vital in elections - but with the Democratic blocs established in the NE, the West Coast and around the great lakes - even losing OH and IN - still 278 EV - not even considering AZ/MT/ND/SD opening up in 2012.

PA is getting older and could be picked off by the right GOP candidate.

IN really do you think it will go blue again?

You have a point, but its harder for a democrat to win in the south then it is for a Bush like republican to pick off states in the Democratic column.  I actually think if the GOP goes with somebody like Palin in 2012 and GA along with SC will be blue.