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Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 02:07:13 am »
Since there was a chronic lack of shapefiles in the other thread...new project!
FAQ
Q: What is this crap?
A: This is an attempt to get every state's precinct results on the Atlas for historical record.
Q: That's such a waste of time! Why are you doing that?
A: Shut your face is why.
Q: Cool! How can I help?
A: Look at the Big Board below. See any white counties with precinct results online? Please, post them here and I'll upload them onto the Atlas. If you see statewide results posted in a light-green state, or even better a white one, please point them out.
Sources for results must be original and verifiable, not something like newspaper reprints.
Q: When will you have ______ done?
A: I'm mostly moving eastward, but it depends on how much of a hellscape the states are. Texas, for instance, has a ridiculous number of counties without even email addresses. On the other hand, Delaware has three counties. Guess which one I'll probably do first.
Q: I don't see these results on the Atlas. Where are they?
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The Big Board
Key
Green: Dark - Entered. Medium - Pending entry. Light - Likely available online soon.
Yellow: Results online, but not final.
Purple: In transit.
Red: Dark - Excessive fee. Medium - Unprocessed fee/paperwork. Light - Processed fee/paperwork, but not yet in transit.
Blue: Light - Contact made, pending. Medium - Contact attempted. Dark - Multiple failed contact attempts.
The numbers
Entered - 431 (13.89%)
Available - 808 (26.05%)
Available/Pending/Complete - 837 (26.98%)
No progress/attempt - 2,264 (72.99%)
Failure to acquire - 1 (0.03%)
Current drain on Alcon's college fund - $0 (not including billable hours)
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 02:07:34 am »
Placeholder (not sure what for, but I always regret not having these)
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 02:08:18 am »
The more the merrier
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 02:11:01 am »
Welp looks like my state is already taken care of. No work for me!
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 04:27:14 am »
Quote from: Alcon on November 22, 2008, 02:07:13 am
A: I'm mostly moving eastward, but it depends on how much of a hellscape the states are. Texas, for instance, has a ridiculous number of counties without even email addresses. On the other hand, Delaware has three counties. Guess which one I'll probably do first.
Texas since it's more interesting and more necessary and more work.
I have two guesses, right?
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 04:42:25 am »
Quote from: Lewis "Scooter" Trondheim on November 22, 2008, 04:27:14 am
Quote from: Alcon on November 22, 2008, 02:07:13 am
A: I'm mostly moving eastward, but it depends on how much of a hellscape the states are. Texas, for instance, has a ridiculous number of counties without even email addresses. On the other hand, Delaware has three counties. Guess which one I'll probably do first.
Texas since it's more interesting and more necessary and more work.
I have two guesses, right?
Last time Kenedy County put me on hold for 30 minutes before the lady decided that she was "pretty sure we don't have precincts" and asked if I had confused them with a two-N Kennedy County, which doesn't exist. That was 1 of 254.
Delaware is better for my health, but I'll get to (at least the fun parts of) Texas with time.
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 06:13:24 am »
Mississippi
Rhode Island
Delaware
West Virginia
(precinct results available for only some of the counties reporting official results - I checked two, one had them, one didn't)
You will have to go to the counties for Florida - results are official (except where recounts are needed, which isn't at the presidential level) but the state site doesn't do precincts.
Connecticut results are official, but the towns have weeks and weeks more before being by law required to report precinct results to the state. And I've no clue whether the state will put them online after that.
Everywhere else colored white on your map has not yet certified or has terribly unhelpful state websites or both.
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 02:28:44 pm »
Thanks Lewis. Updated.
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 02:59:12 pm »
That's such a waste of time! Why are you doing that?
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 03:06:36 pm »
Bergen County, NJ:
http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/countyclerk/subpages/general%202008.pdf
By the way, I did not win the most Democratic precinct; I think BRTD beat mine. It was won by Obama 686-98. Of course, parts of Englewood were even more Democratic, the most being 925-19, which is just obscene. Englewood as a whole was just over 77% for Obama; McCain actually won a precinct in the second ward pretty decisively (Ward 2, District 2). I'm not sure how the second ward precincts divide geographically, but my guess is that that is the Orthodox Jewish area. It also had by far the lowest turnout rate in the city.
Teaneck 14 and Teaneck 16 came very close to beating Englewood W4D2. Obama won those 1025-25 and 1235-31.
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 03:30:30 pm »
LA county:
http://lavote.net/VOTER/Statement_Vote_Cast.cfm
Also, shapefiles for California:
http://swdb.berkeley.edu/d00/g06_geo_conv.html
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 04:19:38 pm »
California shapefiles. Hot. I may be able to do something with that all.
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Update:
- Full contact slates in Colorado, Nevada, Oregon and Utah
- Quite a few scattered results in California, Nevada, Oregon and Utah
- Added Bergen County, NJ
Old numbers:
Entered - 242 (7.78%)
Available - 648 (20.82%)
Pending/Complete - 1,754 (56.36%)
No progress/attempt - 1,358 (43.64%)
Failure to acquire - 0 (0.00%)
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 05:43:55 pm »
Oregon:
These are the official precinct results for counties in Oregon that I have been able to find so far.... There might be a few more counties available after Monday since 11/24 is the official county reporting date.
Benton County:
http://www.co.benton.or.us/admin/elections/documents/archives/2000s/e08gen/e08g_precturnout.pdf
Jefferson County:
http://www.co.jefferson.or.us/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=h%2bgR0D7cuqc%3d&tabid=1421&mid=10139&language=en-US
Lane County:
http://www.co.lane.or.us/Elections/SOV/20081104s.txt
Multnomah County:
http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dbcs/elections/2008-11/abstracts.shtml
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 05:49:41 pm »
Sussex County, NJ has their official results up by precinct, but the format is nasty and difficult to use. I can;t find any other county that has official results online. (Warren County doesn't even have a website, ugh.)
http://www.sussexcountyclerk.com/oldres02.htm
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 05:54:34 pm »
Would it be helpful to also post links for precinct maps, or is this a waste since they can't be entered into the database?
Also, does paying for the one year membership allow for access to accumulated data, or did I misinterpret your statement above?
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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Quote from: Oregon Progressive on November 22, 2008, 05:43:55 pm
Oregon:
These are the official precinct results for counties in Oregon that I have been able to find so far.... There might be a few more counties available after Monday since 11/24 is the official county reporting date.
Benton County:
http://www.co.benton.or.us/admin/elections/documents/archives/2000s/e08gen/e08g_precturnout.pdf
Jefferson County:
http://www.co.jefferson.or.us/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=h%2bgR0D7cuqc%3d&tabid=1421&mid=10139&language=en-US
Lane County:
http://www.co.lane.or.us/Elections/SOV/20081104s.txt
Multnomah County:
http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dbcs/elections/2008-11/abstracts.shtml
Thanks, got those entered, just haven't updated the map yet.
Quote from: Oregon Progressive on November 22, 2008, 05:54:34 pm
Would it be helpful to also post links for precinct maps, or is this a waste since they can't be entered into the database?
Not useless at all. I plan to make as many maps as possible, although data collection is #1 priority outside of major urban counties. Working on a Multnomah map as we speak.
Quote from: Oregon Progressive on November 22, 2008, 05:54:34 pm
Also, does paying for the one year membership allow for access to accumulated data, or did I misinterpret your statement above?
It does.
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November 22, 2008, 06:17:50 pm »
OK---- Here are the county precinct maps for the returns I posted link to above.... I haven't been able to locate one for Jefferson Co. yet.
Benton Co:
http://www.co.benton.or.us/maps/documents/elections/2004-bentoncounty.pdf
Lane Co:
http://www.co.lane.or.us/Elections/documents/metroprec02.pdf
http://www.co.lane.or.us/Elections/documents/cntyprec02.pdf
Multnomah Co:
http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dbcs/elections/map/precinct_maps.pdf
Is linking the sites posting official precinct results sufficient for the purpose of this project, or is there another format which is more useful for the purpose of this archive?
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 06:22:13 pm »
Yeah, linking the sites is fine. Not quite sure what you're asking...Anything official is fine. I just want to make sure it's not thrice-copied by someone who may have switched numbers.
The map format I need is .shp, which is a shapefile. They're basically hyper-accurate electronic mapes (as you can imagine from the name 'shapefile'). Unfortunately the PDF maps are made through shapefiles, but I can't back-convert because they're basically just lo-def images. They don't contain the detailed electronic prescriptions for my map program to draw from (and it doesn't know where the lines are anyway)
Multnomah map is up in the Oregon thread.
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 22, 2008, 08:04:51 pm »
Can you pm me precinct results from Kootenai County Al?
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 23, 2008, 04:19:05 pm »
This is why I gave up entering on Mississippi in '04. too depressing:
East Central Cleveland: Obama 370, McCain 1
West Central Cleveland: McCain 673, Obama 86
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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Quote from: Alcon on November 23, 2008, 04:19:05 pm
This is why I gave up entering on Mississippi in '04. too depressing:
East Central Cleveland: Obama 370, McCain 1
West Central Cleveland: McCain 673, Obama 86
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Re: Atlas 2008 Presidential Precinct Project: A2K8PPP for not-so-short
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November 24, 2008, 11:06:23 pm »
Great! The more complete the better - I'm also working on this collection and entry. Thus far, ID, HI, SC, VT, and WY are complete and on-line.
if you can, try to get the following precinct data in addition to the candidate votes:
Reg Voters, Ballots Cast, Aggregate Write-ins, Over-Votes (Void Votes), and Under-Votes (Blank Votes). Some counties include these by default, some need to be requested. There are so many more counties out there with information posted that the chances for a more complete set of results is promising.
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Quote from: Dave Leip on November 24, 2008, 11:06:23 pm
Great! The more complete the better - I'm also working on this collection and entry. Thus far, ID, HI, SC, VT, and WY are complete and on-line.
if you can, try to get the following precinct data in addition to the candidate votes:
Reg Voters, Ballots Cast, Aggregate Write-ins, Over-Votes (Void Votes), and Under-Votes (Blank Votes). Some counties include these by default, some need to be requested. There are so many more counties out there with information posted that the chances for a more complete set of results is promising.
Dave
Will do. Write-ins are a pain to handle. If it's OK, I'm going to do the following:
States which count all write-ins as votes (e.g. OR): Include them with the candidate totals
States which count uncertified write-ins as undervotes (e.g. WA): Include them as a second "Undervote" column ("Write-in undervote") on the reconciliation page with undervotes/overvotes/votes cast.
In states like Mississippi, where official centralized abstracts are given, but without turnout or write-ins, and individual counties oftentimes are extremely reluctant to provide information, I may just never be able to get that information.
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As for a complete set: I'm hopeful, but it's going to be ruined by places like Arapahoe County, Colorado, which is standing firm at charging me $150. sigh!
(Map update forthcoming)
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I'll try to keep plugging away at Oregon... can't promise a complete set though
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Quote from: Oregon Progressive on November 24, 2008, 11:21:09 pm
I'll try to keep plugging away at Oregon... can't promise a complete set though
No worries on that. I've already contacted every Oregon county and I'll be doing that anyway. I'm also trying to get Senate.
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