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Question: Does this scare you and remind you of Mao?
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Junior Chimp
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« on: December 24, 2008, 04:46:28 AM »

Why does he have to be any different? I mean...I find it strange that the candidate who did the least amount of work to get to the White House wins this sweeping victory and is seen as a messiah. I really can't understand it. I think it has to do with one thing and one thing only. He gives a mesmerizing speech. Well so do I! Does that mean if I ever become the well-known, foreign policy Senator from Ohio that suddenly they will say "Hey...that Naso guy is electrifying and gives a booming, stirring speech. He could be President of the United States in four years."?

Yeah lol, goddamn those B-actors running for Governor of California. One of them might end up becoming President without having done real work first, based just on charisma.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 05:15:51 AM »

Why does he have to be any different? I mean...I find it strange that the candidate who did the least amount of work to get to the White House wins this sweeping victory and is seen as a messiah. I really can't understand it. I think it has to do with one thing and one thing only. He gives a mesmerizing speech. Well so do I! Does that mean if I ever become the well-known, foreign policy Senator from Ohio that suddenly they will say "Hey...that Naso guy is electrifying and gives a booming, stirring speech. He could be President of the United States in four years."?

Yeah lol, goddamn those B-actors running for Governor of California. One of them might end up becoming President without having done real work first, based just on charisma.

He was a two-term Governor.

And he did the exact same thing in that post he did as President: delegate authority to inferiors and ignore day-to-day operations.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 11:44:48 AM »

This only furthers my belief that the next four years will involve America going significantly off the boil again and ended in some disaster. I already have the Republicans winning in 2012.

Patently ridiculous, and a lame-ass attempt at being 'against the grain'. Did the 1980's end in disaster for the Republicans, who had a much stronger cult of personality going at the time?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 12:16:55 PM »

This only furthers my belief that the next four years will involve America going significantly off the boil again and ended in some disaster. I already have the Republicans winning in 2012.

Patently ridiculous, and a lame-ass attempt at being 'against the grain'. Did the 1980's end in disaster for the Republicans, who had a much stronger cult of personality going at the time?

No: Logically you are correct. But I call this intitution.

The only possible (valid) rationale you can have is the idea that Obama will 'disappoint' his hardcore supporters; but, as well you ought to know, even if he fails to live up to any of his campaign promises, they'll happily swallow them and rationalize them away, just as Reagan's did when virtually none of his tax proposals got through his first few years.
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Junior Chimp
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E: 6.19, S: -9.91

« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 12:28:11 PM »

This only furthers my belief that the next four years will involve America going significantly off the boil again and ended in some disaster. I already have the Republicans winning in 2012.

Patently ridiculous, and a lame-ass attempt at being 'against the grain'. Did the 1980's end in disaster for the Republicans, who had a much stronger cult of personality going at the time?

No: Logically you are correct. But I call this intitution.

The only possible (valid) rationale you can have is the idea that Obama will 'disappoint' his hardcore supporters; but, as well you ought to know, even if he fails to live up to any of his campaign promises, they'll happily swallow them and rationalize them away, just as Reagan's did when virtually none of his tax proposals got through his first few years.

Here you ignore the rather large differences in mentality between "typical dedicated liberal" and "typical dedicated conservative".

Actually, I think that the differences is quite the inverse of what you imply: liberals, having been for so long virtually powerless in the halls of power, will be quite willing to give someone they perceive as one of their own a pass on virtually anything that isn't intentionally abusive of them. Conservatives, on the other hand, have gotten very used to having the reins of power, and are almost single-minded on their insistence for ideological purity. We suffered through Clinton's triangulations; we can suffer through Obama's moderations.

Moreover, the memory of Dubya will be alive and well in four years.

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Not really. Check Reagan's approval polls from 1982, which, if I can recall from memory, were pretty regularly below 50%, but above 40% - that was actually the height of that particular economic catastrophe, and people knew it, but the general public didn't blame Reagan for it. They were willing to give him time.

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And that's the only thing that matters.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 12:36:12 PM »

Will the expectations meet the reality? What if "events" mean that Obama has to act, surely he can't have a Clinton-like presidency where nothing really happens for 8 years (not true, but for the American public it was the case.)

Then he'll have an opportunity to institute liberal reforms to issues where they are pertinent, as I believe he will, and I also believe the public will be generally amicable towards them.
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