Roman Senate

[afleitch]

Yes another one.

However I liked the idea of a game set in an 'expansionist' arena. The idea is simple - we are the Senate. However it's a Senate with rules...and um without them so to speak. Unlike real Rome, each province sends a Senator. Some provinces are stable, some provinces aren't. Some provinces and Senators aren't There could be people playing client state rulers and so on. And there are wars, because they can be fun

Also the Senate 'elects' an Emperor from amongst their own. I had thought about setting it just after the death of Caesar and the transition from Republic to Empire to reflect the state of things when setting a game up

Thoughts?

[afleitch]

Senator from Gaul.

Maybe integrate some Asterix stuff in there for fun?

I need to decide how the provinces are to be split. They probably won't be exactly the same, but can then be subdivided if more people join up.

[afleitch]

So for example here we have a 16 province split if we started at say 100AD

I. ITALIA SUPERIOR
II. ITALIA INFERIOR
III. PANNONIA
IV. ILLYRICUM
V. MACEDONIA
VI. ACHAEA
VII. THRACIA
VIII. MOESIA
IX. ASIA
X. CAPPACDOCIA
XI. SYRIA
XII. AEGYPTUS
XIII. AFRICA
XIV. MAURETANIA
XV. GALLIA
XVI. BRITTANIA

[afleitch]

For a game kicking off in 44BC after the death of Caesar. The light blue areas are tributary states outside the Empire...for now.

Of course we could do the whole thing with the Holy Roman Empire too

[afleitch]

I'd go for Cyrenacia...you know because it's more mixed.

[afleitch]

Actually, I'd totally be up for Holy Roman Empire instead of Roman Empire, myself.  Religious intrigue and dynasties, oh my!

Sowwy SoS

I've always liked the idea of something self contained. The thing is I'd play the Holy Roman Empire along the lines of the German Confederation which suceeded it. And the confederation itself pretty much was self serving trying to put down the liberal revolutions etc. So the idea could be combined I guess.

[afleitch]

So what appeals? Rome or Holy Rome/German Confederation

[afleitch]

Old Rome it is

The idea is simple. It is post 44BC and Caesar has been stabbed. Cue anarchy. Cue the Senate. The Senate, for now concerns itself with military and economic matters. Each province sends a Senator, each Senator serves himself (and also acts as governor). He wants solely what is good for his province with little regard for anhything else. Unless you represent a civilised province when you have your people to worry about.

Senators may work together, there may even be genuine friendships but the Senate floor is a chaotic

Each Senator has at his command an army. By itself it can do no more than keep the peace, satve off raiders or invade barabarian territories for the privelage of Rome (and spoils ) but together they can overthrow an Emperor or split the Empire in two....

[afleitch]

Okay rough estimate here.

Belgica
Gallia - Hashemite
Narbonensis
Hispania
Lusitania - PiT
Italia Inferior - G.O.P
Italia Superior - SoS
Dalmatia
Achaea
Asia
Pontus
Syria - Ben
Cyrenacia - Afleitch
Africa - HappyWarrior.

If these get full we can absorb the vassals and then start subdividing the larger provinces.

[afleitch]

I wanted Italy Inferior BTW

Done.

[afleitch]

I think it's a great idea Of course the Roman notion of law was that laws are thought to express ideals that people should strive to achieve. Not to express minimum requirements that must be met.

Which makes devising such flexable laws all the more fun

[afleitch]

It seems interesting.

If it ever begins, I would take Hispania.
Or Belgica if it's "vacated".

It seems interesting.

If it ever begins, I would take Hispania.
Or Belgica if it's "vacated".

Kinda difficult to get it started

[afleitch]

I wants it to return!

Okay. Let's have a look at it again!

[afleitch]

Crikey! This has picked up a bit

I'll need to have a look at it again.

Oh and I'll jump and take Cyrenacia

[afleitch]

On Afleitch's original map I'd be happy to play the Egyptian client king

Howdy neighbour

[afleitch]

Who hasn't picked a Roman name yet?

Me. Hang on i'll think of one.

EDIT:

Titus Appolonius Galeo (known as Titus Appolonius)
Age: 29
Birthplace: Crete
Senator for: Creta et Cyrenacia

Titus' rise to the Senate has been very recent. The favoured grandson of Helios Appolonius, he was elevated to the Senate on his grandfathers death. Born in Crete like all his family he claims descent from an encounter between the god Apollo and a 'North Briton' mother whom Apollo brought to Rome. Just as fantastic as that claim, Titus fully intends to govern the whole of the province rather than concentrate solely on Crete as his grandfather did. This may put him in direct conflict with neighbouring Egypt. However like his family before him he may be able to retreat from conflict given Crete's relative isolation.

[afleitch]

Should I maybe resign my place as a Senator so I can take over as king of Egypt?

No, I don't think that would be necessary. You could certainly "speak for" the King, but I'd like to keep you in the Senate.

Besides, Rome will probably 'consume' Egypt shortly anyway

[afleitch]

Antonicus has been nominated for foreign policy consul. Any opposed?

Any nominations for domestic consul?

While a return to democratic normality is somewhat refreshing, would the Senate not agree that we perhaps lack a robust titular leadership?

[afleitch]

Antonicus has been nominated for foreign policy consul. Any opposed?

Any nominations for domestic consul?

While a return to democratic normality is somewhat refreshing, would the Senate not agree that we perhaps lack a robust titular leadership?

Up until now Titus, I have been unofficially working as Senate Chair. It would be fine if anyone deemed themselves better Senate leaders than I could be.

I would ask the Senator to forgive the vaguities of this youths prior statement. I have nothing but admiration for your stewardship during this dificult time and would not wish your position to be usurped. I feel that electing two consuls is like electing a man with two heads; despite the wishes of each head he can only move in one direction and can only move in that direction if both heads agree on a chosen path.

[afleitch]

Being not much older than yourself, Senator, I surely understand and accept your apologies. As Senator Antonicus has pointed out, it is deemed more expedient to have two consuls whose terms will rotate, rather than a dictator whom may prove to be unfit.

I will accept your goodwill and withdraw my protest. The most immediate threat to the stability of the Republic; and let it be known Senators that we are not as stable as we should be, are our stationed legions. It is in a mans stomach for him to savour the prospect of battle and conflict. We are truly lucky that our field of battle is this very chamber but we cannot say the same for those who seek a bloodier satisfaction to their urges. If their enemy are not the barbarous hordes outside our borders then they will be the peaceful citizens within this fragile Republic and we cannot let that happen again.

Therefore I will second Antonicus' nomination and hope he shall endeavor to ensure that our legions are sated with dare I say it 'foreign exploits.'

[afleitch]

BUMP

Given that I'm out of a job I might return to this