Wasn't 1992 a realigning election?

[Derek]

It's hard to say because Clinton won big as far as electoral votes. Before that Reagan and Bush won big. It's hard to see the changes between 1976 and 2000. It looks like it if you consider MT and CO, but Dukakis of all ppl was actually competitive in the Dakotas and Montana.

[Derek]

By realignment I was thinking of how some states began to vote in 1992 compared to the past.

Vermont- reliably Republican until 1992 and since has been far left
California- red/purple until 1992 and since has been heavily democrat
Maine- reliably Republican until 1992 and since has been heavily democrat
Alabama- reliably Democrat except for landslides and since has been heavily Republican
Mississippi- reliably Democrat except for landslides and since has been heavily Republican
Georgia- I know I know it voted for Clinton but look at it from then on compared to before
Texas- although Bush's home state had long been a purple/Democrat state but not since then

[Derek]

yes but it was close for Carter in 1980 and Wallace won it in 1968. So basically it only voted for Nixon in 1972 in the decades leading up to the 80's and in the 80's just about every state voted Republican.

[Derek]

That's true ^^. It's states that define elections, not elections that define states.

[Derek]

that takes time and it's hard to pinponit any particular elections for that tho

[Derek]

ru sure?

[Derek]

hmm interesting but I take your word for it. we lost one in the senate in 1992 I think.

[Derek]

he's saying the GOP picked up seats in 1992 tho

[Derek]

1968- silent majority baby!

[Derek]

Comparing 1992 to 1996 is fairly informative.  The trends of Perot voters are informative, especially.  Arguably in 1996 Perot did disproportionately help Clinton; many of the observable swings towards him are left-leaning Perot voters coming home.

Plus Republicans had learned their lesson from 1992.

[Derek]

A realigning election is 1964 where the south went from being the base of the dems to being GOP. 1980 the same can be said for because the south hasn't voted for the dems much since then. Meaning MS, AL, SC, GA, etc. For the most part.

[Derek]

No: Clinton won partly because he was able to pull the Democratic party significantly to the right of where it had been before. And even then, the Republicans made huge gains in 1994.

No, Clinton was a hardcore liberal in 1992, and then when the Republicans won in 1994 he claimed their platform as his own just so that he could be reelected.

In 1992 Bill Clinton said he would cut taxes for the middle class, so he wasn't a "hardcore" liberal in 1992, and he never was. 

I thought cutting taxes for the middle class (and poor) was a liberal position. It's cutting taxes for the rich which is a conservative idea.

No that's just class warfare. Lower taxes are considered conservative and higher taxes are considered liberal by 21st century definitions.

[Derek]

No: Clinton won partly because he was able to pull the Democratic party significantly to the right of where it had been before. And even then, the Republicans made huge gains in 1994.

No, Clinton was a hardcore liberal in 1992, and then when the Republicans won in 1994 he claimed their platform as his own just so that he could be reelected.

In 1992 Bill Clinton said he would cut taxes for the middle class, so he wasn't a "hardcore" liberal in 1992, and he never was. 

I thought cutting taxes for the middle class (and poor) was a liberal position. It's cutting taxes for the rich which is a conservative idea.

No that's just class warfare. Lower taxes are considered conservative and higher taxes are considered liberal by 21st century definitions.

lol. That's not the way I learned it. And if that was the case, then Reagan would be considered a liberal since he raised taxes much more times than he cut them. Also, Bush Sr. would be a liberal because he raised taxes and never cut them. Finally, JFK and LBJ would be conservatives because they cut or wanted to cut taxes.

JFK was a conservative on taxes and I've never heard of LBJ doing anything but growing the government. Bush Sr. was a liberal on taxes as most mid 20th century New England Republicans were. Just look at Rockefeller, Ford, and Romney. Reagan cut taxes as president. When did Reagan raise taxes? What are you talking about?

[Derek]

LOL OMG, are u serious? OK Here ya go his tax increase and in dollars:
Tax Increases Billions of Dollars
Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 +57.3
Highway Revenue Act of 1982 +4.9
Social Security Amendments of 1983 +24.6
Railroad Retirement Revenue Act of 1983 +1.2
Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 +25.4
Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 +2.9
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 +2.4
Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act of 1986 +0.6
Continuing Resolution for 1987 +2.8
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 +8.6
Continuing Resolution for 1988 +2.0
Total cumulative tax increases +132.7

 Source: Office of Management and Budget, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal 1990

LOL YEA DUDE REAGAN RAISED TAXES ARE YOU SERIOUS? YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT, HE RAISED TAXES ALMOST 133 BILLION A YEAR, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS YOU TALK ABOUT HOW INFORMED YOU ARE AND YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT YOUR BELOVED HEROES REAGAN AND BUSH HAD THE LARGEST TAX INCREASES ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN U.S. HISTORY, REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? I MEAN REALLY?

All that really matters is the income, estate, and marriage taxes though because those are immoral.

[Derek]

LOL OMG WHY DO YOU SAY THIS CRAP? YEA ITS FINE TO RAISE TAXES ON EVERY MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASS PEOPLE, AS LONG AS IT DOESNT EFFECT THE RICH, OH BUT WAIT LET A DEMOCRAT PROPOSE A TAX INCREASE AND THERE EVIL. YOU ARE SOMETHING ELSE, LOL, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you disagree with that then?

[Derek]

It was said in jest, good night every have to wake up early and go vote we have a run-off tomorrow in the great state of Alabama, and then I have to go look for work.

Good night and good luck in your voting for the Republicans.