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« Reply #125 on: May 04, 2010, 02:36:14 PM »

I doubt cancer could ever be cured, I hope I'm wrong but I think it's something nature intended to exist to control our populations.

Anthropomorphize much?
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« Reply #126 on: May 04, 2010, 03:36:43 PM »

If there is a "cure for everything", then presumably medical costs would decrease due to early prevention and quick healing.

No, because the "cure for everything" in good against viruses, cancers, germs, etc... but not against the natural problems associated with aging, which will have more effective, but more costly treatments by the time frame we are discussing.  The ability to mass clone white blood cells, also (for instance) will not prevent you from having heart problems, or from needing a knew Kidney.  We will have the ability to treat these problems more effectively, but more expensively as well.

I also imagine, BTW, that there will be a movement of people who will seek a life rejecting all these more extreme, unnatural life expanding measures.  They'll make up a decent sized subset of the population... 20 percent, perhaps.  One might suppose that this group would be made up of an "alliance" of naturalists and religious types, but I suspect that they will be one in the same at this point, as conservative religious types will slowly turn more towards naturalistic views of the Earth, in contrast to the increasingly fast pace of technological advancement.

I doubt cancer could ever be cured, I hope I'm wrong but I think it's something nature intended to exist to control our populations.

Everyone has cancer.  Cancerous cells exist in every human being.  When a person is said to "have cancer" that only means that the cancerous cells are reproducing faster than a person's white blood cells can destroy them.  You fix that problem, and you solve cancer.
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« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2010, 07:31:05 PM »


I might be nit-picking, but what is this? Most Indians I know speak no Hindi.

"Hindi" is a perfectly acceptable, and in fact, more cultured way of saying "Indian"... it is where the word "(H)Indian" comes from, after all.

I know that they're cognate, but they aren't synonymous. Hindi culture would seem to me to mean the culture of the upper and middle Gangetic Plain.
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« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2010, 09:20:49 PM »


I might be nit-picking, but what is this? Most Indians I know speak no Hindi.

"Hindi" is a perfectly acceptable, and in fact, more cultured way of saying "Indian"... it is where the word "(H)Indian" comes from, after all.

I know that they're cognate, but they aren't synonymous. Hindi culture would seem to me to mean the culture of the upper and middle Gangetic Plain.
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« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2010, 03:57:24 AM »

Bump for the newer posters. Anyone want to take a crack at making a prediction or two?
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« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2010, 08:58:04 AM »

America will be something like a third world banana republic, firmly controlled by an oligarchy of corporate business interests. Election participation rates will have fallen to even more pathetically low levels, as the impoverished masses of Americans lose all hope in their paper democratic system. While we'll still be one of the most powerful countries in the world, economically and militarily, this will be more a function of our size and ruthless exploitation of resources and people. We will have only a small amount of our current diplomatic influence, as a handful of right-wing dictatorships around the world, eager to sell us natural resources in exchange for military and financial support of their brutal regimes, rally around our dying empire.

Not sure what'll happen with the EU. It could still exist; it could not. It could have become more centralized and powerful, or the opposite could happen. A strong possibility is that western European countries at the periphery (like Britain) decided to leave, resulting in a more democratic and less nasty realization of the old German idea of the Mitteleuropäische Zollverein.

Brazil will develop into a superpower, and for the first time in the history of the world, South America will become an international power center. China will have the strongest economy in the world. India will have squandered its potential; it will still be influential and richer than now, but eclipsed by other powers.
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« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2010, 09:38:09 AM »

Brazil will develop into a superpower, and for the first time in the history of the world, South America will become an international power center. China will have the strongest economy in the world. India will have squandered its potential; it will still be influential and richer than now, but eclipsed by other powers.

I would flip China and India in your statement. China has a nasty demographic dip coming up due to the one child policy. Before 2050 they should have hit a limit where there aren't enough workers to support their retirees. They also have less economic diversity than the Indians, who have better balanced service and manufacturing sectors.
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« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2010, 10:11:14 AM »

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Be patient.
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« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2010, 03:59:46 PM »

I predict that things won't feel too different from today.
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« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2010, 04:26:50 PM »
« Edited: December 05, 2010, 04:30:37 PM by beneficii »

The United States will have a population of approximately 420 millions.  
50% of them will be white, 28% Hispanic and 8% Asian.  
The immigration policies will have become even stricter.  
Scientific advances will extend longevity.
The population of Western and Southern states will increase even more.  The population in these states will increase 2 to 3 times faster than it will in the Northeast and the Midwest.
America's midsection will empty out.
The House of Representatives will have more than 435 seats.
Montana, Idaho and Wyoming will be considered liberal states.
The average age of the population will be greater than it is now.
The percentage of single person households will increase to 26%
There will be a 50% increase in space devoted to the built environment by 2030, with most of the development taking place in the West and the South.  This will result to a loss of farmland.
There will be water shortages in the East, the West, the Great Plains and the Southwest with lakes and rivers disappearing.
Cities such as Denver, Las Vegas, LA and San Diego will be buying water supplies from elsewhere.
New energy sources will be used: Wind, solar, biomass, geothermal, renewable sources.  The '50s will be known as the "Solar Age".  
Cars will be using fuel cells.
Cities will become more compact and suburbs will be considered costly and inefficient.
There will be more interracial marriages and more tolerance towards different cultures, languages and religious beliefs.


Two cities whose population will increase significantly are Lagos and Mexico City.
China by 2021 will be considered a military superpower.  They will also join the WTO and modernize.
The same problems that exist now will exist in 2050 (India/Pakistan, China/Taiwan, the Koreas, Bosnia, Kossovo).  There will also be tension in Sierra Leone, East Timor, Chechnya maybe even Colombia.  The US will not interfere this time.
The Third World will urbanize.
Coastal cities worldwide will become vulnerable to storms and flooding.  Bangladesh will suffer the most.  Many amphibians will become extinct.


Extremophiles will be discovered on Mars (underground) and on moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Maybe on Venus too.
More oil reserves will be discovered.
Human cloning will be widespread and out of control.
Recreational space travel becomes more common.
Competitions between national teams in soccer will not exist anymore.
Tattoos become more popular (almost a necessity in fashion retail).
Artificial organs are used as transplants and the number of experiments on animals decreases.
An enormous number of fish species become extinct.
A shield is created by scientists that protects the Earth from higher temperatures.  
Sea level rises.
The internet replaces tv.

"More oil reserves will be discovered."

But their production rate won't be nearly enough to make up for the decline in the global production rate since the peak.
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« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2010, 04:29:05 PM »

BTW, I think the US will be far less different from the modern US than people think, at least culturally and politically (though to the left socially, as boomers die off).

Weren't the boomers supposed to be the more left-leaning group?  You know, they were hippies.  What happened to that, and how do we know that the U.S., with a young generation that is probably less liberal than the boomers, will become more liberal by 2050?
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« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2010, 07:26:02 PM »

BTW, I think the US will be far less different from the modern US than people think, at least culturally and politically (though to the left socially, as boomers die off).

Weren't the boomers supposed to be the more left-leaning group?  You know, they were hippies.  What happened to that, and how do we know that the U.S., with a young generation that is probably less liberal than the boomers, will become more liberal by 2050?


I'm pretty sure the millenials are more liberal than the Boomers, especially on economic issues (see also ~60% support Obamacare).  Remember that the radical hippies were always a minority of a minority within that generation.  The only way in which society was really transformed to the left in the 1960's was on sexual and gender issues.  We've actually moved to the right on economics since the 1950's.  It's unclear whether the millenials will be a liberal generation or a libertarian generation, but they definitely don't have many conservative tendencies.  There is definitely a reaction against religious fundamentalism and unparalleled support for gay rights in the youth. 
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« Reply #137 on: December 14, 2010, 11:57:47 PM »

The millenials will have a "come to Jesus" moment. This generation does have a valuable conservative tendency. We are more anti-abortion than many think here. America is very due for another Christian "Great Awakening" . We may be at the beginning of the beginning with regards to the Awakening. Libertarianism is compatable with a massive revival.
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« Reply #138 on: December 15, 2010, 12:01:26 AM »

A 5th Great Awakening? Possible.
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« Reply #139 on: December 15, 2010, 12:05:49 AM »

America is very due for another Christian "Great Awakening" . We may be at the beginning of the beginning with regards to the Awakening. Libertarianism is compatable with a massive revival.

Didn't we just come out of one?  Tongue

I could have sworn that we have been in an ongoing Great Awakening at least since the 1950s as the Cold War was revving up, and especially after the revival of the Christian Right beginning in the late 1970s.  

Where does that fit in with your narrative?  

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« Reply #140 on: December 15, 2010, 12:27:40 AM »

America is very due for another Christian "Great Awakening" . We may be at the beginning of the beginning with regards to the Awakening. Libertarianism is compatable with a massive revival.

Didn't we just come out of one?  Tongue

I could have sworn that we have been in an ongoing Great Awakening at least since the 1950s as the Cold War was revving up, and especially after the revival of the Christian Right beginning in the late 1970s.  
Where does that fit in with your narrative?

There hasn't been a Great Awakening level revival since 1910. What we saw in the 1950's was the healing revivals. What I'm saying is we are due for an Awakening at or greater than what occured in Topeka
The Azusa Street Revival, or Wales. It may have already begun but it's laying low at the moment. Look up what's going on in Daphne/Mobile Alabama or what had been going on at the International House Of Prayer bases in Kansas City and Atlanta.
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« Reply #141 on: December 15, 2010, 12:33:09 AM »
« Edited: December 15, 2010, 12:35:19 AM by Yes! One Final Left!!! »

Well, it's not the best place to look, but,
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« Reply #142 on: December 15, 2010, 09:56:21 AM »

The millenials will have a "come to Jesus" moment. This generation does have a valuable conservative tendency. We are more anti-abortion than many think here. America is very due for another Christian "Great Awakening" . We may be at the beginning of the beginning with regards to the Awakening. Libertarianism is compatable with a massive revival.

O rly?

1) Real libertarians oppose big government forcing women to carry any pregnancy to term.

2) Read the Book of Luke. Jesus's teachings there, if translated into government policy, are downright social democrat (i.e. socialist, and surely as far from economic libertarianism as imaginable).
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« Reply #143 on: December 15, 2010, 01:21:35 PM »

There are taxes that Jesus would oppose quite emphatically. I will list just a few here:

Capital Gains (Luke 12:19-27)
Estate Taxes aka inheritance taxes (Ezra 9:12)
Marriage Taxes: Also he would allow any newly married solider a year off to bring joy to his wife
Progressive Income Tax (Exodus 30:11-15)


Jesus was huge on private actions of charity not government mandated ones
To quote a tea party activist "It is not the role of government to force us to be charitable. I think we have a name for that kind of mandate. It starts with an "s" and ends with an "ocialism"."

Real Libertarians defend all life ,including preborn human, against aggression. Look at the libertarians for life website.

I have a question for anyone who supports abortion rights. What do you get when a male human and a female human procreate?

The answer is another human life. As such that life should and must be given their right to life under the 14th amendment as well as The Declaration of Independence.
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« Reply #144 on: December 15, 2010, 01:46:05 PM »

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There's nothing in the Fourteenth Amendment that makes abortion illegal.. even if you use a peculiar  (read: not tied to the implied definition in the same amendment in the least) definition of the word "person" in section one.

The Declaration of Independence has never been given a legal standing at all.
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« Reply #145 on: December 15, 2010, 03:19:13 PM »

The millenials will have a "come to Jesus" moment. This generation does have a valuable conservative tendency. We are more anti-abortion than many think here. America is very due for another Christian "Great Awakening" . We may be at the beginning of the beginning with regards to the Awakening. Libertarianism is compatable with a massive revival.

Where do you think things will go with gay rights and creationism?
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« Reply #146 on: December 15, 2010, 04:56:19 PM »

Gay rights will still be quite dicey. Creation will be taught beside evolution in more areas.
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« Reply #147 on: December 15, 2010, 10:53:27 PM »

Gay rights will still be quite dicey. Creation will be taught beside evolution in more areas.

Youth could end up supporting gay rights, be anti-abortion, and have a severe distrust of government spending. They may also be something completely different. Many will change their stances, as they get older. Many will not.
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« Reply #148 on: December 16, 2010, 02:10:08 AM »

Creation will be taught beside evolution in more areas.

In that case, the quality of our science education will go down the tubes.  Creationism is unfalsifiable, introduces an actor that scientifically speaking we know nothing about--including its motivations and energy source--, and is religious.   Evolution is falsifiable (such as if we find bunny rabbits in the pre-Cambrian, if it can be shown that successive mutations cannot accumulate, or other evidence that goes against common descent with modification), is supported by multiple lines of evidence (homology, fossils, DNA, etc.), and is a cornerstone of modern biology.
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« Reply #149 on: December 16, 2010, 08:50:03 AM »

Gay rights will still be quite dicey. Creation will be taught beside evolution in more areas.

Nah. Both gay rights and evolution are becoming seen as the norm rather than the alternative view.
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